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Billionaire Elon Musk, who is heading US President Donald Trump’s efforts to shrink the federal government, gave an update on the effort early on Monday, saying they were working to shut down the US foreign aid agency USAID.

Musk, who is also CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, discussed the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) in a Monday social media talk on X, which he also owns. Trump has assigned Musk to lead a federal cost-cutting panel.

The conversation, which included former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy and Republican senators Joni Ernst and Mike Lee, began with Musk saying they were working to shut down the United States Agency for International Development (USAID).

“It’s beyond repair,” Musk said, adding that Trump agrees it should be shut down.

On Sunday, it was reported that the Trump administration had removed two top security officials at USAID during the weekend after they tried to stop representatives from Musk’s DOGE from gaining access to restricted parts of the building, three sources said.

The website of USAID appeared to still be offline on Saturday and some users could not access it on Sunday. USAID has a staff of more than 10,000 people.

Speaking more broadly about cutting US expenses and fraud, Musk estimated the Trump administration can cut US$1 trillion from the US deficit next year.

Musk did not offer any evidence to support his fraud claim or explain how he reached the amount of US$1 trillion.

Since taking office 11 days ago, Trump has embarked on a massive government makeover, firing and sidelining hundreds of civil servants in his first steps toward downsizing the bureaucracy and installing more loyalists.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 77 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

Genuinely curious why Trump is getting rid of historically the US's most reliable source for regime change. For those who don't know, the vast majority of USAID goes strictly to opposition groups in countries the US is on bad terms with, and to the ruling govrnments and millitaries of those we are on good terms with. It's how the US maintains hegemony. Some USAID went to good people and projects, of course, but never for a second think that that was its primary purpose.

One theory I saw is that the US Imperialists have noticed many of their typical regime change attempts, such as in Bolivia and Venezuela, are failing, therefore it isn't any longer an efficient use of funds. Now the US is pivoting to more open-faced aggression via tariffs and other forms of economic warfare, sanctions, and so forth. The reason, is because US hegemony is weakening, and other countries like the PRC are becoming much better alternatives to deal with.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm increasingly getting the impression that the US now realizes that the unipolar moment is over, and they're basically cutting their losses in order to consolidate and retrench. The interview that Rubio gave was very telling. He openly admitted that the unipolar moment was an anomaly and there are now multiple great powers again. He also admitted in a different interview that the ability to use sanctions is coming to an end because of BRICS. This was a really good discussion on the whole thing https://glenndiesen.substack.com/p/did-the-us-declare-the-end-of-the

The US will continue doing fuckery around the world to be sure, but it looks like they're pulling back to re calibrate their approach at the moment.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. The US retreating to lick its wounds and re-establish itself as an industrial power doesn't seem entirely feasible under Monopoly Capitalism, with everything so financialized, but if the US pulls it off then I think there's a half-decent shot at genuine proletarianization within the Empire and a resurgance of Socialism as an alternative.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I very much agree. Reindustrializing the US is a Herculean task requiring decades of sustained effort. It demands restructuring supply chains, building infrastructure and factories, training workers, all needing massive investments with no clear funding source in today's political climate and capitalist relations. However, it's important to distinguish feasible goals from the ruling class's aspirations. They frequently ignore material realities, opting instead for decisions rooted in wishful thinking.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Fair enough, that is very true as well!

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It might be simplistic, but I'm always going to go with Occam's Razor on this: Trump and Elon are just that stupid.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't think that's Occam's Razor applied, though. We know the US is controlled by the interests of the bourgeoisie.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah, he is dumb enough to do it but why is he being allowed to?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago
[–] fanbois@hexbear.net 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In a general sense. In the day to day business these ghouls can and will do things that will hurt their mid/long term interest because it fits their vibe or they don't really get it/know the history.

Elon does want to lead a fascist empire, but the nonsense-ai-crypto-bazinga version in his ketamine-head, not the fairly boring but successful, actually existing empire.

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[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Elon directly said that USAID had a hand funding covid biolab research

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[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think that the opposition groups may very well be already established and thus no longer need the kickstart funding, for example LATINUS, (mexican disinformation media, based in the US) is already huge and likely makes a profit from its audience and private donors without the need of USAID or the NED.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's a worrying conclusion, but thank you. That would make sense.

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There is another posibility, the national oligarchs are starting to fund these projects from their own pocket, Salinas Pliego in México, Bukele in el Salvador, Noboa in Ecuador... Bukele is a phenom in social media and is the blueprint for all these jackasses.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Any question of why Trump does something that doesn't seem to make sense has a very simple answer. He's an idiot. And the answer to your following question is "Yes, he is."

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Trump is an idiot, but the United States isn't structured in a way where the President can go against the will of the Bourgeoisie. Behind closed doors there are talks and strategies employed, this isn't a new thing.

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[–] onwardknave@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Because that's a lot of money that isn't going to his favorite charities.

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[–] EmpireInDecay@lemmy.ml 55 points 2 days ago

Shut down a CIA covert operation masquerading as a charity?

Oh no...

[–] huf@hexbear.net 61 points 2 days ago (3 children)

how will musk coup anyone he wants if he shuts down the coup machine?

[–] rando895@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 2 days ago

Probably by creating a private company called "xovernance x" that just goes in and directly coups people.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't think musk understands the workings of the American empire. He has more important things to tend to than reading theory (get into fights on twitter).

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

Dumbass probably thinks he can save money by directly paying mercenaries and drug cartels to do clandestine operations instead of laundering that shit through NGOs

[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 days ago

he prob wants to funnel all that money to X

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 days ago

Us army next PLEASEE

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 days ago

Heartbreaking: The worst person you know accidentally did something good

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 days ago (9 children)

USAID was a tool for US imperialism. It may have done some good but the soft power was expended waging wars and committing genocide.

[–] NewOldGuard@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It’s good that it’s gone, but this makes me think US imperialism is going to stop trying to curry favor with soft power and kickbacks for compradors, and instead go full mask off and just coup or invade everyone they want shit from. I know that the hard power has been used excessively throughout US history for these goals already but I worry it could ramp up to new levels.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

These are my concerns as well, there's 0 chance this is an end to Imperialist aggression, just a change in character.

[–] Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It may not be intended as an end to aggression, but the soft regime change tactic is a lot cheaper and more effective than direct aggression.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

It used to be, for sure. It seems as though that hasn't been working as well in recent years.

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 27 points 2 days ago

i guess USAID was founded by an executive order, so maybe they can do that unilaterally soviet-hmm

Musk is a malignant narcissist Nazi who believes himself to be nearly a god. He is so absolutely amazing that he just knows what it takes us mere humans decades to learn.

[–] DinosaurThussy@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

Do USAGM next

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

~~“It just burning money to ‘help people’, they’ve never been in the black. It’s a money sink hole. Completely useless.”

It’s a service that my tax dollars gladly pay for~~ I will not gladly pay for that same money to go into your pocket, you fucking nazi.

Edit: was clarified on the particular organization. Should wake up before reading bad news. I stand by my Nazi statement though.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago (14 children)

The vast majority of USAID went to support regime change and help the ruling classes of those we are friendly with. A minority went to helping people. What this means, it is speculated, that the US has realized its last several attempts at regime change in countries like Venezuela and Bolivia have failed due to the emergence of alternatives, therefore it is cheaper to drop it entirely and focus on open economic warfare rather than subtle. Tarriffs, sanctions, etc.

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for clarifying for me. Still don’t want that unelected nazi in control of anything in the government.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Oh, of course. I'm not saying this is necessarily a "good thing," I am more pointing out what we need to watch for. This signals more open aggression, like the United States has been known for, potentially even going to war.

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