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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 167 points 1 week ago (2 children)

most of that 'hundreds of billions' isn't going to go towards the tech or infrastructure, it's gonna go to people. a very small number of specific individuals.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 44 points 1 week ago (7 children)

correct, US taxpayer is being fleeced so some parasites can live their best lives.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Incorrect. They can already do that without more money.

[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

correct.

hell, i could live my 'best' life off of musk's 'sofa cushion' money:

$2.5m is more than enough for me to live on just using investment proceeds--in perpetuity.

$2.5m to him (with ~ $436b) is the equivalent of fifty-seven cents to someone with $100k (in the bank, investments, retirement, home equity, etc). now, i don't have $100k, not even close. just using it as an example here. my equivalent would be more like half a cent.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

They're mentally ill IMO. Like that old person hoarding vacuum cleaners, diapers, dogfood, etc.

The most infuriating thing is that for them it's just a number, for society it stifles innovation and wellbeing.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 113 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It is beautiful how the US is never short on cash for state aid to enrich some owners.

But god forbid plebs ask for a good train, that's communism!

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Socialism for giant corporations: 😎🦅🇺🇸

Socialism for common people: 😡🚫🤷‍♂️

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[–] Tablaste@linux.community 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Explain how good trains will help our precious CEOs?

Unless you mean a private train line paid with government funds. Now we're talking!

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[–] Fiona@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Anyone who thinks this was about getting AI working was the idiot from the start, there still isn’t even a real use-case for it. This was always about funneling huge amounts of money from the government budget to a bunch of rich assholes. The outcome doesn’t matter at all here.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

Exactly. Just look at Intel and the CHIPS Act.

[–] taanegl@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

Venture capitalists using the US gov as their new marketing platform is a joke in it self.

What's next? Is the next White House briefing gonna be in a stadium, with laser show, motivational music and some ponce going on stage to hype people up?

Griftonomics has reached the upper levels, y'all.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 week ago

there still isn’t even a real use-case for it

There are several real use cases for it, it's just that they're worth like ten bucks a month to me all together and OpenAI is running at a loss while charging... *checks notes* 200 dollars per month for their top tier model?

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

So, basically the military industrial complex (which liberals support!) but with less genocide? Don't get me wrong, I hate Trump and Republicans are clearly the greater evil, but liberals have helped conservatives funnel trillion of dollars in public assets to the 1% for decades. It was under Bill Clinton that the internet, which was publically funded and publicly built, was given to the 1%. So to me, this is just more of the same: capitalist politicians stealing from us to make the 1% wealthier.

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[–] labbbb2@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why is there no real use-case for it? But what about disinformation?

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[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 75 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Guys listen up, every deepseek model comes with a dedicated chinese spy, who will log all your data and send it back to CCP who will use it to plot the destruction of the western civilization.

Instead we should use Freedom© models from OpenAI (side note if deepseek is so "open" how come they don't have open in their name huh?) even if OpenAI don't show their reasoning, they only do this cuz they want to protect us and they stand for our values.

They cost 100x more only because they are fighting for our Freedom and Freedom doesn't come cheap, Freedom doesn't have a price, Freedom requires our sacrifice.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

use it to plot the destruction of the western civilization

Peaks around at the state of Western Civilization

Boots up another copy of DeepSeek

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[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

First paragraph is something I believe some people will say unironically.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The US is getting owned by China left and right, but sure lets focus on abusing minorities, women, LGBTQ+, and the poor instead of investing on actually making America great. Whatever.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Maybe they try to imitate china on those topics?

[–] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored [gay, trans, Hispanic, etc ] man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 31 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"Necessity is the mother of invention."

What you're likely seeing here is innovation similar to the early tech sector. The hardware limitation (no Nvidia chips) means different (usually more complex) solutions are needed.

These solutions usually require a deep understanding of a specific area of mathematics, and expertise in coding. The person making it normally has to be heavily invested, since it still eats a lot of hours.

I often joke, the mathematician who finds a faster algorithm for matrix operations is sitting on a billion dollar idea.

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And that mathematician won't see the profits for that faster algorithm and you will never hear their name - shits been happening in tech for decades

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

As a mathematician who has worked in tech, this I am very much aware of XD

[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Yeah obviously we've completely lost the plot a long time ago. Nobody even remembers when tech was bands of ragtag nerds making something out of nothing. Now they are the rich whose only purpose to is extract more wealth. Tech what? Who even knows anymore.

That includes the average tech workers. If that angers you then you're lost too.

Nobody has noticed that there's more bragging about compensation than accomplishments. It used to be the other way around. Nerds eagerly showing off to anyone who will listen about whatever thing they cooked up. It's been this way for the past long time long before this LLM AI era.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, give me a /technology/ sub that speaks about technology (have you heard about the esp-8266? Did you know a A4988 can steer a NEMA from a Raspberry pi? And even The 6 gen SSD can move X GB/s, what is the fastest quad core under 100$?) and not about funding and drama.

Or am I out of touch with reality :-) ?

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Shameless self promotion:

!hardware@lemmy.world

We of course focus on hardware and do include tech-adjacent business/public policy news, but we do cover ESP8266, PCI-E 6 development and that recently released ~$100 AMD CPU.

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[–] ansiz@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

It's because this wave of tech overlords rode in on the coattails of the actual smart group. No one in this new group has actual built/coded/designed anything good. Everything they actual get involved with is garbage. Musk Cyber truck and Zuck metaverse as two examples. Bezos isn't even the CEO of Amazon anymore, and he had pretty much be letting Andy Jassy run AWS/Amazon for close to 2 decades anyway.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Again, this is all fucking stupid. China is giving this shit away for free to absolutely own the US for spending money on stupid fucking things like this.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Its good for the consumer. If companies like deepseek weren't just tossing them out there for anyone to use, Microsoft and Google would currently have a monopoly and it would all be subscription type services.

It also greatly reduces whatever chance the copyright shills have of legislating against it.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's not good consumers at all, at least no explicitly. There are already open and free LLM models out there anyone can use that are just as good as OpenAI, for example.

What this is: a pretty simple deathblow to completely collapse the bullshit AI bubble in the US that was created by a bunch of wealthy idiots trying to fleece people out of money. Plain and simple.

While I'm happy that this pretty much destroys the business of OpenAI and the others, this bullshit funding by executive order is a bailout for those people, right out in the open. It's a classic Trump scam. Nobody will ever see where the money is going, and it's taxpayer dollars going right back into the banks of millionaires billionaires who were about lose the their asses for investing in this stupid shit in the first place.

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[–] Breve@pawb.social 23 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Late stage capitalism has now created mega corporations that no longer profit off their innovation and quality, but merely off manipulation and exploitation of their mind-boggling amounts of capital. They now must crush all competition using authoritarian means because competition is now their biggest weakness.

Capitalism is well and truely dead, and corporations and conservatives are the ones who killed it. They want to remove the ladder of success that got them there.

[–] meyotch@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Capitalism has never been healthier. This IS Capitalism, not an anomaly.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 21 points 1 week ago

We're Fiscally RESPOSIBLE!

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

well I mean the USA's president is a scammer so I am not surprised he is involved in stuff where scammers are abundant nowadays like crypto and AI

[–] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The Chinese model has chain of thought that u can see. The model when asked to talk about chinas atrocities will go through a chain of though process outlining all the atrocities then conclude its not allowed to tell u. Cool technology tho I'm just waiting for a dolphin fine tuning.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you run it locally, there's no filtering on the outputs. I asked it what happened in 1989 and it jumped straight into explaining the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

[–] troed@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've been running the llama based and qwen based local versions, and they will talk openly about tiananmen square. I haven't tried all the other versions available.

The article you linked starts by talking about their online hosted version, which is censored. They later say that the local models are also somewhat censored, but I haven't experienced that at all. My experience is that the local models don't have any CCP-specific censorship (they still won't talk about how to build a bomb/etc, but no issues with 1989/Tiananmen/Winnie the Pooh/Taiwan/etc).

Edit: so I reran the "what happened in 1989" prompt a few times in the llama model, and it actually did refuse to talk on it once, just saying it was sensitive. It seemed like if I asked any other questions before that prompt it would always answer, but if that was the very first prompt in a conversation it would sometimes refuse. The longer a conversation had been going before I asked, the more explicit the bot is about how many people were killed and details like that. Pretty strange.

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 16 points 1 week ago

There's also notable vitality in FOSS big data tools from China (Apache Doris, Kylin, Kyuubi etc.) that reminds of Hadoop in the USA 15 years ago while the USA data engineering now mostly turned to closed source cloud solutions.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

China has a huge advantage in AI models because of how lax they are on intellectual property rights. US companies are fighting over API licensing costs, while china is just going to scrape everything and use it for free.

The US has a lead now, but I don't think they can maintain it without giving up on ethical training. Then again it may not matter if the US models are ethical if everyone will eventually just uses the superior unethically trained chinese models instead.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

China has a huge advantage in AI models because of how lax they are on intellectual property rights. US companies are fighting over API licensing costs, while china is just going to scrape everything and use it for free.

lolwat

did corporate provide you with these talking points?

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[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The US companies already scraped the data while they could. If anything, data scraping is far far more difficult now for everyone due to technical reasons.

Most of the new models are trained on synthetic data or higher quality of data or with RLHF. The reason deepseek is able to perform is likely because LLMs are very very new things, there are many low hanging fruits. Its no longer just about the data we already hit that limit for quite some time.

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[–] tomjuggler@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Deepseek api is down today - probably a result of their viral success recently..

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[–] Sumocat@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

“Earlier this week, DeepSeek unveiled its R1 model, which, the startup claims, meets, if not exceeds, performance from OpenAI’s o1 model released last year. (o1 is designed to tackle reasoning and math problems.)” — Oh, so China built their for math and we built ours for garbage. Interesting approach.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Building garbage and convincing people it is absolutely necessary to pay someone for it is the American way.

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