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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24657192

Summary

In a virtual speech at the World Economic Forum, Trump suggested Canada could become a U.S. state to avoid his proposed tariffs on imports.

The remark elicited gasps from the audience.

Trump claimed the U.S. does not need Canadian lumber, energy, or vehicles, vastly overstating the trade deficit between the two nations.

He reiterated his intention to impose tariffs, potentially as high as 25%, on imports from Canada and Mexico starting February 1.

Economists warn such tariffs would raise prices for U.S. consumers.

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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Democracy is demagogue-prone. That’s a disease to which electoral systems are vulnerable. Yet demagogues are easy to identify. They gesture a lot and speak with pulpit rhythms, using words that ring of religious fervor and god-fearing sincerity.

The practice can always be detected by anyone who learns the signs: Repetition. Great attempts to keep your attention on words. You must pay no attention to words. Watch what the person does. That way you learn the motives.

They create a system where most people are dissatisfied, vaguely or deeply. This builds up widespread feelings of vindictive anger. Then they supply targets for that anger as they need them—as distraction. Don't give time to question.

They bury mistakes in more laws. Traffic in illusion. Bullring tactics. Wave the pretty cape. People will charge it and be confused when there's no matador behind the thing. That dulls the electorate just as it dulls the bull.

Fewer people use their vote intelligently next time.

There appears to be a rule of nature that says it's almost impossible for self-serving groups to act enlightened, flowing with the forces of life, adjusting your actions that life may continue. With the greatest amount of happiness for the greatest number, of course.

The risks of democracy and how to prevent them paraphrased from Dune.

Apparent everywhere, Trump is just one in this path of centuries.

Focus on actions, not promises, and unite against inequality and division. Systems should be simple, transparent, and work for everyone, not just the wealthy or powerful. Educating and organizing workers, holding leaders accountable, and building solidarity across all groups are essential for achieving fairness. Lasting change comes from addressing root causes, not chasing temporary fixes.

Maybe the next century will show results somewhere.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago

Oh, boy, what you've got going on looks like so much fun, how could we want to miss out?

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world -3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (9 children)

Four more years of this shit. But oh well, it's worth it if it spared a few people of superior moral integrity from compromising their principles to vote for Harris when she didn't measure up to their requirements and the Democrats didn't run a good enough campaign and besides it was kind of cold that day and it would have meant putting on pants.

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[–] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 6 days ago

I personally think this is bravado to negotiate something more realistic, although if he really wanted to it's unlikely Canada would resist.

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 91 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

As a Canadian, fuck you Trump. Canada will never be a US state. Not sorry.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 45 points 1 week ago (6 children)

If it goes down I'm just gonna scoot up north and fight on your side for Canadian citizenship.

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a really good idea! I'm about 5-8 hours from the Canadian boarder but I will not fight for a fascist country. I'll either join the other side or join a resistance here.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I'm about 4 hrs from the border but could easily make that shorter in an emergency! Combat veteran as well.

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[–] briongloid@aussie.zone 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The amount of Americans visiting Australia who assume people here would want to live in America instead given the option was astounding to me.

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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 79 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Trump seems to have the goal of destroying the US from all I can tell. Our economy and power are so dependent on our connections to the rest of the world and he is burning them all down. The US dollar gets replaced as the fiat currency we are wholly fucked and this dumb shit is how that happens.

[–] Hafler@lemm.ee 49 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Somehow, even with conservatives owning all the branches of government, it will be the Dem's fault.

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago

LGBTQ+ and immigrant fear can convince conservatives of about anything.

[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

If Trump is serious about this it will be bipartisan by 2028 just like all the 2016 Trump policies that were bipartisan by 2020

[–] Khoryphos@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Lol that’s just the narrative they need to fundraise another loss in the 2028 election.

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Who needs dollars when you have $TRUMP meme coins?

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago

Fair. I was just thinking what the monetary system really needed was to be more obscure, cartoonish, energy intensive and unstable.

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago
[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If America is forced to accept austerity measures over our massive debt when the dollar is no longer fiat, regular people will be the ones who suffer sadly.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago

As long as the US dollar has maintained and will maintain its supremacy, regular people suffer all over the world for the comfort of treatlerites in the imperial core.

I'd rather the dollar crash so that the world has a chance.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

When Dollar is replaced as the reserve currency, America's imports will shrink and there may be inflation. But it won't result it in defaulting on its domestic currency.

Any austerity on the US will be self-inflicted (as it is in the UK and Europe). The unwillingness of the US Government to take over the economy from the parasites will make things much worse.

[–] ComRed2@hexbear.net 13 points 1 week ago

Stop, I can only get so erect.

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 week ago

Trump is going to speedrun all our ~~vassals~~ allies into joining BRICS, and I’m here for it.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 47 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Us citizens pay tariff this doesn't hurt Canadians. They should call bluff and say do 30%.

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[–] coolusername@lemmy.ml 41 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (13 children)

rip you guys are gonna get couped
imperialism is manifesting itself in the imperial core

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

imperialism is manifesting itself in the imperial core

Sounds familiar

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Hey, I've seen this one before!

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 week ago

rip you guys are gonna get couped

Seems to me we got couped. It was just mostly domestically bloodless. So far.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Don't act like Canada hasn't been seeing it's own share of right wing extremists making their way into government.

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[–] Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Canada is one of the few countries that has actually defeated the USA. They even burned the white house.

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[–] Enkers@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago

Dear Trump:

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There is no actual fentanyl or immigration basis for tariffs on Canada. Just submit to less representation than California, and help absorb large US debt with little in return for it.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's no basis for tariffs on Mexico either.

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[–] llothar@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

American anschluss of Canada to expand their lebensraum, because they feel they deserve it.

Musk does not hide how he feels about it, we wouldn't either.

[–] bitPagan@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is the US so attractive that countries are lining up to join? 🤔🇺🇸

[–] mjhelto@lemm.ee 25 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Come for our healthcare! Stay cause you died.

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Do you think he wanted to do this last time but ousted everyone who told him that's fucking psychotically stupid?

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