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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.

Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.

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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) by rbn@sopuli.xyz to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they're unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Almost all vegans are "fake". Start with the bees used to pollinate the food. End with a wasp dying in a fig...

It's all definition in the end. I think that's random and the mod is random. But idk, let them echo chamber a little.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 5 days ago

Yeah. The plant lifecycle depends on animals, and the animal life cycle depends on plants. You can't divorce one from the other and have a sustainable ecosystem.

[–] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

unrelated to the drama:

who are these 'screenshots' for? because they're so small and compressed I cannot read the text.... are these automated or?

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Looks like the vegan admin has an aggression problem. Maybe he or she should at least occasionally eat some meat to calm the cravings.

Edit: /s, for the idiots who did not get it. Wow, are some people stuck up. Do they have the same problems that the admin had?

[–] rbn@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

she should at least occasionally eat some meat

Even though I don't share her point of view, that part of your comment is totally inappropriate and rude.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

comment is totally inappropriate and rude.

How is it rude?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's funny though

Look, sometimes we make jokes at the expense of others. Don't say you don't because we all have and do, all the time. Stop shaming someone just because they made a joke. Have a sense of humor, understand that sometimes it's funny to laught about going to hell. A jest here and there is perfectly fine. Also, it's not like this person was Gandhi, they deserve some jest

[–] Blaze@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Making a joke about someone you don't regularly interact with even on a forum seems to be laughing about them rather than with them.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 hours ago

And sometimes a joke is just a joke. Learn to take one.

Once we get to the point where we are perfectly sensitive to every little irk that any person might have, we will be at the point where nobody interacts with anybody because we won't be able to as anything and everything can be insulting.

I have people joke about me all the time, it's fine. I'm not following this person around to yell it in their face, it's a comment in passing. It doesn't hurt anyone unless you decided to stop and make a big deal out of it.

Don't make a big deal out of it, it was a little joke, everyone is fine. I've been relentlessly bullied for my entire youth, and I learned the hard way that some of the bullying you call out on your own with your behavior. If you cry over every little innocent joke, people will pile on. My bullying stopped when I decided it would stop. I changed, the bullying stopped.

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder,

... it is the time to speak to a psychiatrist.

[–] gaael@lemmy.world 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hello dear internet user,
It looks like you need to educate yourself on at least 3 topics before using your keyboard again:

  • why is it hurtful and not ok to rebutt other's opinions by suggesting they are mentally ill?
  • are other animals sentient, sociable and do they feel emotions and pain?
  • how are meat and dairy products produced and how many animals live in this system?

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments on how we see the situation and the precise words we want to use.

Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future,
Me.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Hello dear internet user

It looks like you need to educate yourself about the terms like "food chain" and "what is the difference between food and humans".

Once you've done the work, we'll be able to agree on the basics facts and exchange arguments. Looking forward to engaging with you in good faith in the future.

[–] helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Resolution is fine your peoples ~~client~~ instance is just trash

[–] Chakravanti@monero.town 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Use some punctuation. I don't know what you're trying to say.

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I (a vegan) got banned from there for finding the love of cows cloying. I said we shouldn't have to pretend cows are cute to convince others not to kill and eat them.

It really isn't a place for even back and forth amongst friends, "no conversation - only agreement"

[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

cloying

adjective

excessively sweet, rich, or sentimental, especially to a disgusting or sickening degree

Neat, new word.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Actually it's from the 14th century

[–] Robert7301201@slrpnk.net 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

New word for them

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yeah

I know

Everyone knows

Literally

Every

Single

Person

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’m not undoing the bans as the comments literally go against the definition of veganism ie no animal products for the reason of ethics, serving meat options in an establishment isn’t even vegetarian let alone vegan. Words are supposed to have meaning or language is completely pointless.

The foods that are vegan and plant-based have zero animal products. It is not up for debate.

You’re welcome to post and comment in flexitarian communities instead.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The foods that are vegan and plant-based have zero animal products. It is not up for debate.

You do realise that plants get pollinated by animals, right?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

And…? They’re not being used by humans. They do it out of their free will in the wild.

You’re gasping at straws.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They do it out of their free will in the wild.

That's like bees and honey, yes? Do you eat honey? Eggs?

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don’t eat those. You have to imprison and exploit chickens and bees for those 2 things. Pollination is no way comparable.

Veganic farms don’t use bees and if they’re there it’s because they’re interested in some flowers or scent.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

imprison and exploit chickens and bees

That's hilarious, especially when referring to bees

Pollination is no way comparable.

Pollination is not comparable to honey production? Oh boy, I may have a news for you.

if they’re there it’s because they’re interested in some flowers or scent.

Yup, just like anywhere else. Chickens are interested in being fed and have a night time shelter where they be safe.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Great now you’re grasping at straws. Arguing in bad faith.

Bees aren’t murdered or starved for pollination that’s what happens under honey production by bee enslavers.

Laying eggs is a painful experience for hens and people who sell their eggs prioritize the production output over the living environment for the chickens.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Great now you’re grasping at straws.

That's what you are doing with your argument that pollination by bees is somehow different.

bee enslavers.

🤣🤣🤣

Laying eggs is a painful experience for hens

How do you know that, exactly? Any evidence?

people who sell their eggs prioritize the production output over the living environment for the chickens.

And yet I somehow don't see plenty of free roaming chickens living around. Have you ever considered why?

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Serious question, not meant to be antagonistic. I'm honestly just curious.

Is the purpose of your community to simply be an echo chamber of similar opinions? Is debate not allowed, or having a different opinion?

I will never visit that community, but this seems like a wild abuse of mod powers. You do whatever you want, I don't care and have no skin in the game, but don't you want to foster discussion on your community? An echo chamber with other vegans doesn't seem conducive to achieving anything, other than maybe a feels good circlejerk. The downvote button exists if you have a different opinion. A straight ban for not toeing the line seems like further isolating your view points from the greater Lemmy community, as well as entrenches the view point a lot of people have that vegans are hostile to non-vegans.

Calling other vegans fake vegans and banning them tho is whack as fuck but pretty hilarious

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When I go to a vegan community, I don't want to debate with carnists. I would consider that trolling. There are other places meant for debating. Vegan communities are basically safe spaces to talk with other vegans and people that want to be vegan.

Too many carnists troll the vegan communities, they created this problem. I first joined lemmy during the reddit exodus on a .world account. The vegan community at that point was poorly moderated and most of the comments were carnists circle jerking about how eating meat is so great to them. Finally, active people took over and it became so much better to actually browse that community once these trolls were banned. This behavior is nothing new btw, I've seen assholes on reddit and facebook do the same to vegan spaces. You'll notice I'm no longer on .world, I disagree with their modding practices and lately I feel even more justified in leaving that cesspool.

I want vegan news, vegan recipes, and vegan discussion. I do not want carnists coming in, at all. People can come in asking genuine questions about veganism, but no debating whatsoever. I do not mod any of these communities btw, but this is what I want as a user.

It seems hostile to you because you have not had to deal with the constant carnist trolls. People who complain vegans are militant or hostile is a red flag for me, it really means that vegans are too unapologetic about their veganism instead of being passive people who don't rock the boat or question the status quo. These people are defensive about vegans pointing out that they are consuming products made from abuse, rape, and murder. They want to be treated with kiddie gloves. Sorry, but no vegan is obligated to do so.

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the honest reply. I guess a couple thoughts I have on your response.

  1. The screenshot in question was a vegan banning other vegans for not being vegan enough, so this didn't seem like carnist trolls, this seems like multiple people integrated within the vegan community getting banned for having a slightly different opinion.

  2. Is carnists a real term? I don't think I have ever heard of someone who eats exclusively meat, unless this term is meant a different way

Anyway, sorry about the trolling you experience. I am personally not vegan, though I find the endeavor admirable. I think a lot of Lemmy and social media, and social circles in general need to practice a bit of "live and let live"

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hope the late reply is fine, I had a trip that wiped me out.

  1. yes, the mod is being protective of the community. To you it is a slightly different opinion, to someone who follows a vegan lifestyle, it is not really vegan. Like at all. Vegans want to eliminate meat altogether. So if you eliminate meat by having a vegan restaurant, but then bring meat in, it is not vegan anymore. Idk what I would have done as a mod. Wanting meat at a restaurant is not vegan even if you are just trying to attract more customers so you do not close down. It might make more sense if you replace the word "meat" with "abuse, rape, and murder." Would you accept a little murder, even killing children to stay in business? I get it is hard to get a non-vegan to try vegan food, I've written before about how my SO basically refuses to try vegan food even if it is my birthday. My SO also likes to bring up how stupid and extreme my veganism is to them, way too often. I now understand why vegans prefer dating other vegans.

  2. carnists is a real term. It is:

"A proponent of carnism; one who supports the practice of eating meat and using other animal products."

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/carnist

It is the opposite of veganism. They are essentially anti-vegan. They like to go in vegan areas and debate with everyone to try to justify their consumption of meat. It makes them feel good to troll us.

And yes there are people who try to eat nothing but meat, it is called a carnivore diet. I have a family member who is on the diet, they pretty much only want to eat steak. There is a new community on lemmy about it, I blocked it obviously. The mod of said community was whining about their stuff getting downvoted in their community on a different lemmy community. Judging by the amount of people (including admins) who hate vegans on lemmy.world, I thought their community would be very successful.

I get the whole "live and let live" thing about a difference in opinion on who the best character on a show you are watching is. But when it involves actual lives, I think it's time to speak up. Vegans are annoying because they want people to stop killing animals for consumption and people would rather vegans just shut up and go away so they can enjoy their meat without thinking about where it came from, that's it. Talk about veganism outside of a vegan community and be prepared to get ratioed.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They are essentially anti-vegan.

that is not what carnist means

[–] YarrMatey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A carnist is the opposite to a vegan, the opposing side. If you support the use and consumption of animal products, you are a carnist. If you are vegan, I am interested in how you define carnism. If you are not vegan, I am not interested in how you define it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnism

Central to the ideology is the acceptance of meat-eating as "natural", "normal", "necessary", and (sometimes) "nice", known as the "Four Ns"... The arguments were that humans are omnivores (natural), that most people eat meat (normal), that vegetarian diets are lacking in nutrients (necessary), and that meat tastes good (nice).

EDIT: this person is not a vegan and is actually a carnist wasting people's time

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The vegan Community is actually quite shit. They don't hesitate to delete your comment just because you aren't a vegan, even if you agree with them in certain points.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 week ago

Love the user name. Ruminant revolution!