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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb

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[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago

Is what he's saying true? That the antitrust laws he's referring to were started by trump?

[–] Burn1ngBull3t@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I was looking to use ProtonVPN but since that story, i would prefer an alternative.

What do you guys use for VPN (i think i saw Mullvad in the replies ?)

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago

Mullvad

I thought they were wonderful. Until they got rid of port forwarding, which is the only reason why I was paying them: as a torrenting VPN.

If you don't need that feature, Mullvad is still great...they take privacy/security seriously! That's why they got rid of the feature I used haha.

They've also been put to the test and passed IMO:

https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/21/23692580/mullvad-vpn-raid-sweden-police

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

I use PIA VPN.

[–] Undearius@lemmy.ca 9 points 17 hours ago

I really don't understand this compulsion people have to publicly announce their political support.

Like, this guy could have just said nothing, literally just not do anything, and he'd be better off.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 11 points 20 hours ago

People here need to read about how fascism in Germany and Italy were good for business but terrible for the workers. About how the moneyed interests played a role in the rise of fascism in both as a defense mechanism against unions and socialism.

[–] treasoner@lemm.ee 7 points 20 hours ago

Republicans haven’t stood for the little guy for at least….40 years?

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me being too lazy and putting off switching to Proton has paid off!

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I cancelled my newly made subscription because of this and asked for the money back, currently theyre trying to stall that by all means.

I went with mailbox.org instead for much cheaper, the setup was really simple, but ive heard great things of other providers as well.

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 1 points 59 minutes ago

Posteo is another good one, Disroot as well

[–] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Oh mailbox seems cool. I'm personally using mxroute.com to host my domain's email but to be fully honest, I'm still stuck on the Gmail for most things.

I mostly use my person domain email for things like a contact address on my résumé.

I want to switch fully to my personal domain email but mxroute's web app(s) kind of suck 😅

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (3 children)

what the fuck???? literally HOW did he reach that conclusion
Anyone got a email site that won't shut down or turn fascist?

[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 0 points 59 minutes ago

He hasn't turned fascist though

[–] dan@upvote.au 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

FastMail has been around a long time and they're very good. MXRoute is good too and lets you have unlimited email addresses at an unlimited number of domains (they only limit it based on storage space)

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago

I moved to mailbox.org due to this, very happy so far. They seem happy being just a mail provider with no aspiration for world domination on the privacy market, and their site layouts shows that with no upsells or similiar.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What do US domestic politics have to do with a small Swiss company? Is there an indication that Proton would be sanctioned otherwise?

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (8 children)

https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies

  1. Foreign companies are generally subject to U.S. tax on U.S. source income. This includes income from selling goods or services in the United States, from owning or leasing property in the United States, and from investing in U.S. securities.

So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 70 points 1 day ago

This comment right here absolutely nails it.

The Republicans have installed a Supreme Court that guts antitrust at every step, and Andy gives them a pass. Anyone that's that bloody oblivious of how the GOP have spent 25 years trying to remove consumer protections at every turn shouldn't be managing a popsicle stand, let alone an email service so many rely on to be private.

What a redundant muffin.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's a shame I have a year subscription to them. I'll be cancelling and moving the second it runs outs.

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cancel it now so you dont forget it while it autorenews.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago

Already did!

[–] ChicagoTransplant@midwest.social 160 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The initial post could just be chalked up to naivety if we're feeling charitable, but using the official proton accounts for this stuff is an extremely bad move. Then half-assedly retracting it without acknowledging he posted it, doubling down, and making every classic PR mistake. Aside from potential capitulation to a regime that clearly values power more than human rights, there's significant risk from a person with such bad judgement having apparently no safeguards or second opinions when he's posting. What other decisions is he unilaterally making for proton that aren't publicly known?

[–] db2@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago

He's another mini Elon wannabe, obviously. They're coming out of the woodwork lately.

I hope people are taking notes so these scum don't get to skate later when it falls down around their ears.

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 76 points 1 day ago

Guy who sells VPNs really supportive of political party that blocks parts of the internet regionally

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

Canceled my sub last night, ported everything to Tuta today. No issues this far.

Super disappointing, but is what it is and I'll move on.

[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 114 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.

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[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 52 points 1 day ago

When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take:

That makes it seem like Andy here just doubled down, but it's way worse than that. The company released an official statement doubling down on Yen's stance.

[–] latenightnoir@lemmy.world 76 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Grrrreat... Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I've switched to Proton trying to de-Google...

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 69 points 1 day ago (9 children)

For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot

For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN

For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden

[–] eli@lemmings.world 2 points 23 hours ago

Or support one of the last non-chromium browsers remaining by getting MozillaVPN/Relay and password manager

[–] DonjonMaester@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 1 points 17 hours ago
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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 85 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The post was deleted and they are in cleanup mode. Best thing we can do is post this everywhere and demand a public apology and the firing of Andy Yen.

Otherwise end your subscriptions!

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is bewildering. What a shame.

I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.

Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they'd have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They're too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.

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