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I've been using HA for a while; having my home just "do things" for me without asking is fantastic. My lights turn on to exactly the levels I want when I enter a room, my grass and my plants get watered automatically, heating and cooling happens only when it needs to. There are lots of benefits. Plus, it's just a fun hobby.

One thing I didn't expect, though, is all the interesting things you can learn when you have sensors monitoring different aspects of you home or the environment.

  • I can always tell when someone is playing games or streaming video (provided they're transcoding the video) from one of my servers. There's a very significant spike in temperature in my server room, not to mention the increased power draw.
  • I have mmWave sensors in an out-building that randomly trigger at night, even though there's nobody there. Mice, maybe?
  • Outdoor temperatures always go up when it's raining. It's always felt this way, but now it's confirmed.
  • My electrical system always drops in voltage around 8AM. Power usage in my house remains constant, so maybe more demand on the grid when people are getting ready for work?
  • I have a few different animals that like to visit my property. They set off my motion sensors, and my cameras catch them on video. Sometimes I give them names.
  • A single person is enough to raise the temperature in an enclosed room. Spikes in temperature and humidity correspond with motion sensors being triggered.
  • Watering a lawn takes a lot more water than you might expect. I didn't realize just how much until I saw exactly how many gallons I was using. Fortunately, I irrigate with stored rain water, but it would make me think twice about wasting city water to maintain a lawn.
  • Traditional tank-style water heaters waste a lot of heat. My utility closet with my water heater is always several degrees hotter than the surrounding space.

What have you discovered as a result of your home automation? While the things I mentioned might not be particular useful, they're definitely interesting, at least to me.

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[–] thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My old Samsung printer can enter a state where it consumes ~100W without doing anything meaningful. It’s not obvious what is wrong, but without power monitoring I would have never realized this.

CO2 levels raise astonishingly fast when people are present in a room.

I have mice visiting my garage and I can tell when by looking at the motion sensor history.

My uninsulated roof stays frost free even at -15°C.

[–] femtech@midwest.social 22 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What type of printer? Maybe keeping the ink from going solid?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Maybe it’s keeping the roof frost free too…

[–] claymore@pawb.social 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably a laser printer, keeping warm to be ready to print as soon as it gets a job. My laser printer (also Samsung) draws nearly 1000w after a cold start.

[–] node815@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

If turned off after use, as in powered off, the laser printer first must go through a warm up cycle where it needs to heat up the fuser so it can "bake" or fuse the text/image to the printed page. This is where you see a tremendous power spike, and can often overload a battery backup if you have it connected with a computer as well.

[–] walden 60 points 1 week ago

By recording the electricity use in my house I noticed a 1500 watt spike at a semi-regular interval. It would happen every 50 minutes and lasted for a few minutes. While overall not that much of a draw, it sort of drove me crazy not knowing what it was...

Then I discovered that it was our septic system's effluent pump (the leach field is up on a hill). The pump was turning on way too often because ground water was leaking into the pump chamber. It's not supposed to do that. The tank was about 45 years old, so not a huge surprise really.

Basically, my home automation (or tracking, really) lead to an $8k concrete tank replacement (more or less, as we had the guy do some additional stuff while he was here).

That's not really a bad thing though. Maintaining your house is very important. Our well had failed a coliform test the previous year, and I've yet to get it re-tested to see if the new tank fixed that little problem. I've been giving everything some time to settle down.

[–] TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 56 points 1 week ago

OP's post is a good lesson in the value of metadata and how important data privacy protections are.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The humidity in my apartment is affected far more by cooking than by showering.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Is it the food or just that your extractor fan is bringing in outside air? (Please tell me you cook with an extractor fan!)

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 20 points 1 week ago

Many many places (it is a trend now) just have extractor fans that simply run through a shitty filter and blow it back into the room. My old rented house (it was just renovated in 2021) was like that along with tons of moisture problems coming from a half-assed renovation (turns out, the church officials were embezzeling a ton of money from the church company that came out a few years later) of a protected monument house from the 1500s.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

While not publishing it, my weather station uploads my indoor temperatures to weather underground. The plaintext password is in every packet. It uses unencrypted HTTP.

My TV continues to chatter to random servers on the internet long after it has turned off. It transmits to a telemetry server on every single button press.

My air conditioners drain a lot more power when I haven't cleaned the filters. It's almost double.

A chromecast will try to bypass your router's DNS and go straight to Google's. It is constantly pulling data even if you're not using it. I'm fairly certain it's that slideshow. It's not cached at all.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

My TV continues to chatter to random servers on the internet long after it has turned off. It transmits to a telemetry server on every single button press.

What's even more irritating to me are the random changes to the TV's UI. Turn it off for a while and I come back to an entire new set of menu entries and ads!

Home Assistant, OpenWRT and Adguard Home mostly fix those problems.

When my TVs are powered off a Home Assistant automation enables a couple of OpenWRT firewall rules. Those rules block all TV Internet access. When the TVs are powered on the firewall rules are automatically disabled and the TVs work normally. That along with Adguard Home's blocking of all UI ads makes my TVs almost user friendly.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

That's a neat rule. Thanks for sharing!

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[–] grauzone@social.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

@pHr34kY @corroded Not from home automation but from my #pihole installation.
My internet radio tries to send the title of each new song to itunes.apple.com. My smartphone tries to report any new installation / update of SW packages to googletagmanager.com.
Those are among the reasons I use a #pihole in the first place.

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[–] Kuinox@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Onkyo home cinema amp was eating 50W when being "off".
Fixed it with smart multi-plug which power the amp when the tv is on, and cut power when tv is off.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had similar experience with my onkyo. It was ocuuring only when set in a "special" mode of being a mutimedia center of the whole living room - the mode where all the video and audio inputs go to it and it handles them and forwards the video output to the TV. I disabled it and instead connected all the inputs to the TV itself and forwarded audio only to the amp. This drastically decreased the standby usage. Maybe it applies to your situation too. Anyway, I am pretty sure draw this big in the standby is illegal in the EU.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've caught the front door and garage door left open several times (kids)

I found out my garage under my bedroom is primarily why my room is hard to heat and likely has poor insulation in the ceiling.

I found out my Samsung TV was sending a LOT of data home.

I know every time my Roomba gets stuck so I can go and locate it before the battery dies.

I know when my unraid Dockers fail to update and accidentally delete the old containers, so that I can go and re-add them.

One of my children were doing remote learning and I would get an alarm if he didn't get up in the morning and start using his Chromebook.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How much data is a lot? Mine lost wifi privileges for putting ads in my stuff, but I'm still curious.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It was burning a few gigs a day. Which wouldn't have been noticed except I wasn't using it to stream anything. I originally put it on the time out vlan, But my wife wanted to make changes to art mode, and of course that requires cloud connection. I should probably go back and isolate what it talks to and see if I can get art mode to continue working without letting it do whatever high bandwidth application it was trying to do before.

[–] Baggie@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

That's nuts, good luck with the sluething

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[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

My old furnace was hilariously oversized for the house.

One of the nifty things about smart thermostats like Ecobees is that you can pull usage data from their web portal. I grabbed a CSV file covering a cold snap last year that reached a 100-year record low, and using Excel I summed up the total heat output while we were at that low.

The furnace was only running 50% of the time, even when it was with a couple degrees of as cold as it's ever been where I live.

Needless to say, when I got a new system installed I made sure it was more properly sized, and given that I had a convenient empirical measurement of exactly how many btus I actually needed in the worst case as scenario, that was easily done.

[–] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Having an oversized furnace really isn't a bad thing, and only having it run half the time sounds like a good thing to me.

[–] femtech@midwest.social 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It wears out the furnace doing short burts and the house doesn't get heated evenly. I had the original furnace from 1968. When I upgraded everything with insolation and better windows, I went from a 80,000 BTU on/off furnace to a 40,000 but modular furnace. No more sweating after 10min and then cold. Just evenly bring up the temp over a longer time. https://youtu.be/DTsQjiPlksA

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That technology connections video is great. It's crazy how oversized heating systems are, especially when it costs us so much money.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago

A little headroom ain't bad, but it had three times the required heating capacity for my area's "design day" low, which meant that for most of the winter it was kicking on for maybe 5-10 minutes per hour and then leaving massive cold spots in the house, because the thermostat was smack in the middle and all the walls were bleeding heat.

My new heat pump is just about 2x the design day heat requirement, but that also means it's got capacity to handle extreme lows without resorting to resistance heat, and in any case it's fully modulating so the house has stayed quite comfortable so far.

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[–] slazer2au@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My electrical system always drops in voltage around 8AM. Power usage in my house remains constant, so maybe more demand on the grid when people are getting ready for work?

If it turns into a problem I wonder if you report that to your power provider they can investigate it. I assume it isn't much of a drop though 240v to 210v ish drop.

We had a UPS that would report under voltage every winter at a remote radio tower. We sent the info to the power company and a few months later found the issue and we never got an alert again.

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I assume it isn't much of a drop though 240v to 210v ish drop.

If you had that big of a drop, it would likely have already caused the local power grid to trip and turn off. That hardware is not designed to run at a very large frequency differential from normal, and while 30v might not sound like a lot, it's still enough to massively change the Hz of the AC.

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 21 points 1 week ago (10 children)

I can see if someone is on the toilet and having a Nr.2 by checking the power draw of the Japanese style toilet. (I also have a presence detector). I do not monitor the first part intentionally, though.

I unintentionally catched some birds eating on camera and that led to us installing a designated bird cam - in a 3D printed bird house. The AI model for identification is still in the works though - there aren't any good European based ones available as open source so I still will need to work out my own.

I found out the kid is reading FAR more than thought and is using the PC far less than I thought. Sorry kiddo!

CO2 is going up far more than expected,yes. What I found more interesting, though, is the direct connection between the humidity and my sinus infections - I always get them if my room air gets to dry.

Cooking releases an ungodly amount of VOC and uses FAR more electric energy than I thought.

And: After two years of optimisation I can control the temperature in two very sun exposed rooms just by using the covers and a weather forecast extremely well. Means they are up to 4° colder in the summer than before and 10° warmer in winter. Sadly this does not apply to all rooms.

And last but not least: Heating is the only point where home automation really saves energy here.

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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Most recently I discovered my house naturally has one of those "the sun will shine exactly here at one time of the year" things going on, like a treasure hunting movie trope. A reflective mosaic hung on my neighbor's shed is in the right spot that, in late December, sun reflection causes a arc of sunshine to slowly sweep over and brighten up spots on my back porch for an hour or so.

I recently made an ESPHome based weather station that includes a LUX sensor. I was updating a lighting automation so it would turn on sooner during dark mornings using the new sensor and I noticed a daily spike in light. The neighbor put up that mosaic several years ago and it took a HA histogram for me to notice.

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[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 18 points 1 week ago

The biggest one was probably a combo of having an anemometer, and heat/humidity sensors in each room.

When it's cold outside, the top floor of the house (loft conversion) loses more heat. But it loses significantly more heat when it's cold, and the wind is blowing parallel to the floor joists.

I realised that because they're not perfectly sealed (old house), enough air pressure means that the floor void can easily hit external temperatures, meaning the rooms have cold on twice as many sides.

I will (eventually) get some suitable insulation in them to stop this.

[–] daddy32@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago

Minor and obvious thing, but seeing it plotted finally made me recognize it: the temperature on my balcony is consistently lower than temperature inside my fridge for a good part of the year.

[–] Kcap@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

I have a Dyson smart air purifier / heater combo in my room. It has a mostly real time app that shows whether the air is healthy or unhealthy. One night I was laying in bed and felt some gargantuan ass thunder brewing, so I aimed my cheeks toward the Dyson and watched gleefully as my air quality went from green to red. Technology is amazing.

[–] greenhorn@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A friend in HVAC told me each person produces 350 btu of heat on average

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[–] idunnololz@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I learned my air filter uses almost no electricity so I just leave it running 24/7 now.

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)
  • My TV’s power consumption is basically doubled when the input is running at 2160p compared to 1080p.
  • Running the portable AC in my office for more than 24 hours causes it to cycle off and on because the humidity collection sump fills up and needs to be emptied (it throws a completely unhelpful error of ‘Low Temperature’).
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[–] node815@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Probably the most surprising thing I discovered with Home Assistant was the amount of electricity used by our washing machine in the supplied one in our rental. I hooked up a Kuaf Energy monitoring plug (PLF12) and was able to track each cycle by measuring the power draw. Something like this:

Fill 6.00 - 7.00 W Wash 493.5 -788.5W Drain 405-450W Spin 8.0 8.84 A + 498-800W

These are my rough notes and observations, I'm planning on creating an automation to indicate on our dashboard the current state of the washer making it a tad smarter. :) Also to alert us that it's finished!

The other one I discovered was the amount of energy the Dishwasher pulls. . It's a complex power draw and I've only managed to get our dashboard to show it's running successfully. There is a huge variance in the power draws, that sometimes, I found that if it jumped by a volt or two, it would falsely say it's in the second rinse cycle when it's really filling the basin. Nonetheless, it was surprising to see how much less energy I thought the were using was.

I put a 4-1 one Zooz sensor up above the hall pointing at our front door, so it captures every entry point into our upstairs apartment. When I first set it up, it was a bit unsettling to have it detect even the smallest movement, eventually some adjustments were made and it's more refined and not so trigger happy.

The biggest metric I discovered is just how humid our place gets! As a direct result, I bought a dehumidifier which we run year round. Living in the Pacific NW makes managing humidity challenging. (You know the old jokes about it being rainy all the time, yeah...it sort of is) As a result, we have a dehumidifier which runs year round almost non-stop. Not so much in the summer months. While most people buy a humidifier for the winter, we run it more in the winter as it's too cold to exchange the outside air with the in which can lower it down to as low as 10-15% in the summer. We learned our comfort levels to be around 45-50% instead of the 75-80% it was before we bought the dehumidifier.

We are planning on relocating sometime this year to the other end of our state which is a different climate, so it will be a new discovery period of temps and humidity for us, for this, Home Assistant will be coming along for the ride! :)

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

My office electric space heater, on low, uses more energy than our pellet stove.

My server (and network gear) also use slightly more energy than the pellet stove.

The pellet stove's energy usage does not seem to be drastically affected by the setting it's on - this winter I've been keeping it on setting 2 (of 5), but the other day I ran it at 4 for a few hours. No distinguishable change in electricity usage during that time.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Wait, doesn't a pellet stove produce heat by burning pellets? I'd figure the electricity use would be similar to a gas furnace, where it's just running sensors and cycling it on or off.

Don't you have to buy pellets and maybe even load them into the stove, depending on what kind of delivery system/hopper your stove uses?

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[–] Fedop@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I never thought about temperature/humidity sensors! I know some gardeners that use them in various greenhouses, but that's interesting stuff. Is there anything yall've learned about the power efficiency of heating/cooling methods? Currently we're making a lot of baked goods and stews to keep the house warmer and more humid, but I don't have any data on actual power use changes.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 4 points 1 week ago

I've had a temp/humidity temperature in all house rooms for a few years now, and it's dead useful.

Balancing the radiators and TRVs so everything heats up evenly.

Spotting anomalies (top floor loses a lot more heat when the wind is blowing)

And setting the flow temperatures for the radiators, as I can see the rate of heating compared to outside temperatures.

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[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tell me more about automatically watering plants

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