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Summary

Covid cases are surging across the U.S. post-holidays, with rising test positivity, hospitalizations, and deaths, while booster uptake remains low.

Only 21.4% of adults and 10.3% of children have received the latest booster, leaving vulnerable groups, including the elderly, at higher risk.

Experts warn of continued dangers from Covid, including long Covid and economic impacts, as the virus has not yet reached an endemic state.

With uncertain federal priorities, researchers stress the importance of monitoring infections, updating vaccines, and using preventive measures to mitigate future waves.

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[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 136 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Covid is going to end up being another cigarette situation.

People are going to ignore the "minor" risks for decades, then the long term population effects will kick in and cause massive social problems.

There's going to be a lot of long term mental decline, heart disease, etc. That's going to be tied to having had covid a dozen times. The science is already hinting at stacking permant damage.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-risky-are-repeat-covid-infections-what-we-know-so-far/

Some very smart people are significantly concerned about this.

Get your fucking boosters people.

[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

Indeed.

We recently learned that covid causes neurons to fuse. This suggests that over time, a society that doesn't take precautions against spreading it will become stupider and develop a significantly higher rate of mental and/or physical disorders.

We don't know how that will take shape, of course, but it reminds me of the prevalence of lead (e.g. from leaded gasoline) through a big chunk of the 20th century, and the corresponding IQ decline and violent crime rise among generations who spent much of their lives exposed to it.

[–] SoJB@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I will endlessly repeat this.

Do you folks remember when US schools opened back up?

Because I do. I remember entire classrooms where every single student was positive. I remember kids getting consecutive infections and the suburbanite Karens in my workplace talking about their kids 5th covid infection in 2 months as if it was no big deal.

I know I’m preaching to the choir, however I cannot stress enough how much COVID fucks you up long term.

As you stated, brain inflammation, chronic pain, literally being significantly, measurably, and noticeably stupider for the rest of your life… and look at how those kids turned out.

I couldn’t imagine a better killer for the most evil empire that human civilization has ever produced.

[–] Eyekaytee@aussie.zone 6 points 1 week ago

wasn’t the impact on kids minimal?

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2023/10/children-covid.html?t

“For almost every infectious disease, the most vulnerable populations are at the extremes of age — the very young and the very old,” said Stanford Medicine professor of microbiology and immunology and of pathology Bali Pulendran, PhD. “But with COVID-19, the young are spared while the old are emphatically not. That’s been a mystery.”

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[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 38 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Alas, RFK incoming - we will get to see how low these numbers actually can go, once we have aggressive anti-vax policy from the top-down.

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[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 22 points 2 weeks ago

It's hard to imagine the general public getting even dumber, but here we are.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, having never had covid, I definitely notice a lot of friends and family around me seeming to struggle mentally with stuff they used to be good at. And some of them physically, too. It has had a pretty noticeable cost already with most of them only getting it 1-3 times so far. If it keeps being around and adding up and people keep thinking of it as not a big deal, I can't imagine how much more it's going to affect them in 5-10 years.

So far, none of them have even gotten the specific effects necessary for a "long covid" label, but it has clearly done something.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've had it three times. My wife has had it five. I can't put my finger on anything but I'm definitely not as sharp as I was. People started up a game of scattergories on new year's. I used to play it all the time 20 years ago. This was a new version.

I couldn't think. Now I had several beers and champagne and a joint by this point, but it was really upsetting. I can't think like I used to. It could just be age.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Try going sober for a month and see if anything changes.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I did that last year. I didn't feel any different 30 days after my last drink versus 2.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I reckon polio is a good analogy. That illness doesn't seem so bad at first. Mild symptoms (or no symptoms at all), seems like you get better. It's much worse in a small number of cases - potentially causing paralysis and death. But a big issue is post-polio syndrome, which surfaces many years later in a large percentage of people.

fatigue is often the most disabling symptom; even slight exertion often produces disabling fatigue [...]

Covid is a bit like that. Most people who get it feel pretty rotten for a few days, and then its apparently over. But we've seen that for some people, covid causes permanent brain injuries resulting in chronic exhaustion and brain-fog. It's unclear precisely how common this this, but we know that repeated exposure increases the risk.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I had never heard of post polio syndrome before... probably because we eradicated it here with vaccines.

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[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Every time you get Covid, you can lose several IQ points. It will be this generation's leaded gasoline.

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[–] clarinet_estimator@lemm.ee 52 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I live in NYS. I had to pay $200+ out of pocket for the booster because my medical insurance would only cover vaccines administered by a doctor's office, and the booster was only distributed to pharmacies. My medical insurance does not cover ANY prescriptions because apparently it's an optional DLC now.

Only CVS and Walgreens were given the boosters too so they could set whatever price they wanted.

I don't know a single other adult other than my partner that paid out for the booster because it was so expensive. If my immune system worked I could play roulette with vaccines too, but it doesn't so I just continue to get my physical safety held hostage for more money.

[–] SuperIce@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

CVS MinuteClinic are actual doctors, so they may be covered. That's how I got my HPV vaccines, which would have been $300 per dose if the pharmacist administered it instead. It was free with MinuteClinic.

[–] clarinet_estimator@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago

That is really helpful to know. I don't recall there being any MinuteClinics around here, but I'll take a look for next time, thank you :)

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Same. Too much insurance not covering anything bullshit and I don't have a few hundred dollars to dump on this because of paying hundreds and hundreds of dollars for the insurance that doesn't do anything. It speaks to the absolute failure of a healthcare system. I have half a mind to just go uninsured. Then maybe I can afford the vaccines at least as a first line of defense against illness. It's not like I'm not gonna get shrecked for ten bajillion dollarys by the insurance company if I actually got sick anyways.

I see the other comment though and will try a CVS.

[–] flames5123@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I have to go to the doctors office every 3 months for ADHD check in with my medication. They ask me every year if I want the flu vaccine, and I take it. Every year I ask if I can get the COVID booster, ans they say “only for kids.” It’s wild to me.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 31 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Covid, pneumonia, norovirus all surging at the same time.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mpox and bird flu glare from the corner, bidding their time.

Ebola looks up from their book and yawns.

[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I was reading the posts from one of my local animal rescues last night about how they're dealing with hundreds of dead snow geese that are testing positive for avian flu. They were begging for more money, PPE, and medicine to euthanize the ones not dead yet and crematory fees for dealing with the hundreds of contaminated bodies. That state and fed don't seem to be pulling their weight in this, and they're nervous about using the same equipment and vehicles they have for their healthy animals for so much bird flu. The photos and videos they showed were devastating.

Meanwhile, comments section was filled up asking how they know it's bird flu, that bird flu is a gov conspiracy (US or China, both were covered) or this is what the mystery drones were gassing us with, and something about a "fog you could taste" (???) that was to blame for this.

If other animals like vultures get to the dead geese first, it just spreads the flu more, and if people try to dispose of the geese themselves, it can spread to their cats or birds at home.

People will just complain about the price of eggs as we lose so many animals, and potentially people.

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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] socsa@piefed.social 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Norovirus is far and away the worst thing I've ever gotten. I cannot emphasize how much it sucked to be shit-puking every 20 minutes for three days. Sip of water? Hour on the toilet somehow. It made no sense. Where was the liquid coming from?

From the ghost hitting me in the stomach with a bat every 30s I guess.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 5 points 2 weeks ago

I had something like that when I was a lot younger. I had pneumonia recently. I had to take a week off work, and I work from home. Was down and out for the entirety of November, it started coming back mid-December, but I was smart enough to notice right away and got a third round of antibiotics.

Pneumonia was worse, in my opinion. However, I am told that norovirus is only killed by bleach - not by hand sanitizer or ammonia-based wipes. And that you're contagious for a couple of weeks after your symptoms start, so people "get better" after three or four days, then go wandering out in the world unwittingly spreading infection. That's just plain evil.

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[–] maccentric@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Genuine question (not an anti vaxxer): If the vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting the virus (my understanding is that it makes the symptoms less severe but doesn’t prevent the infection), how does it help keep it from spreading?

[–] traceur204@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It both reduces chance of infection and severity of infection, and furthermore reducing the symptoms makes it less transmissible because the congestion symptoms are part of how it moves from person to person (coughing and such). The vaccines aren't perfect because covid can evolve so quickly but they're miles better than nothing

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No, Chance of infection is unchanged. Only environmental factors like masks, hygiene and location stop a virus from entering the body.

No, Viral load is unchanged.

Yes, symptoms are reduced.

Yes, recovery time (and therefore time in an infectious state) is reduced.

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[–] Lennnny@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I got a booster in September as I was planning a trip to India, but I will say that thing knocked me on my fucking ass so much. As much as I believe in vaccination, it's gonna be a hard sell to my brain to go back next year and get it again.

[–] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 29 points 1 week ago

Whenever a vaccine kicks my butt like that I just tell myself "good job, having a strong immune reaction." If the vaccine was that bad I imagine the real deal would be much worse, especially without the vaccine.

Also, my dad died of COVID pre-vaccine, so I'm taking the vaccine whenever it's offered to me.

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

I just got my booster last week and this was the first one where I didnt need the next day in bed. I've never had the 'Rona (that I know of).

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Boosters arent free anymore, are they?

[–] Scrollone@feddit.it 8 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's free in Italy. I mean, all healthcare is free here.

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[–] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Mine was covered by my free state insurance, but y'know

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