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KEY POINTS

  • Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, whom President-elect Donald Trump appointed to lead a new government efficiency team, said they intend to call federal employees back to the office five days a week.
  • Companies such as Amazon and The Washington Post are adopting a similar policy in 2025.
  • But many companies will keep remote or hybrid work arrangements, largely because they boost profits, economists said.
  • Some view return-to-office mandates as a stealthy way to reduce employee head count.
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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 275 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Billionaires need to be taxed out of existance.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 153 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That's certainly one of the two ways.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 82 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Elon is probably only carrying that child on his shoulders all the time now as a human shield.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought he was practicing to do that with Trump.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It would be nice to see poo trickling down Elon's back every day

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Which is how you know he knows fuck-all about America, cause we're kinda indifferent to both collateral casualties and gun violence being the number one cause of death for children.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

At least until everyone has homes, food, healthcare, freedom, and education.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

naw. keep the tax around, keep them from coming back.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 153 points 2 weeks ago

Neither of these assholes have ever had a real job. Not even a high paying real job.

Billionaires are a problem.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 117 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

As someone who was mostly remote since 2015 I’m pretty confused

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 89 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Clearly you're living a life of luxury and privilege unlike ordinary hard-working folk like... (tries to keep straight face)... Elon Musk.

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 36 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Doing drugs and shit-posting is hard work.

[–] zib@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Don't forget all the effort he put in for years to not scream from the top of his lungs that he's a nazi. It's tough, I bet he even broke a sweat.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don’t forget Diablo IV #1

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[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Me too. Musk can't actually manage people, but he can pretend more convincingly if he can see them in person and yell at them. There are a lot of managers like that and there are far more executives.

My company looked at the actual business results from the period of COVID remote work. Productivity went up, so they decided to keep things that way. It also allowed them to get rid of all their office space, except for a sparsely populated headquarters building, which is saving them a lot of money.

Most studies have shown that workers were more efficient when working remotely. Why would any executive want to reduce efficiency and increase infrastructure costs? The Return-To-Office push is not rational. It represents an inability to adapt to changing conditions. If boards were doing their jobs, they would be quietly showing those executives the door and looking for better people to run their companies.

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[–] alienzx@feddit.nl 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Remote since 2014... People are crazy

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Hell, my uncle was an attorney who was fully remote in the 80s.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 75 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

stupid control freaks. Because controlling of their employees is what RTO is about, control and paranoia.

They are stupid paranoid control freaks who fear that their neat buildings stand empty and they cant just throw work at their wage slaves. So this is actually about control, paranoia, and vanity.

[–] hondaguy97386@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The stupid thing is I actively do less work in the office.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

Almost all desk work should be ad hoc.

Get your shit done. Then do what ever until there's more work to do.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Many people do for the sole reason that you're more productive when you're comfortable and you're probably going to be more comfortable at home.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That and they don't understand how to manage people remotely.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

One of the benefits of working from home has been that my manager can no longer use standing staring at me as his main means of judging whether I'm doing work. The whole business of needing to see people working just smacks of shitty management.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

So their reasons is control, paranoia, vanity, incompetence when it comes to remote management and their undivided devotion to the American Dollar.

^something^ ^something^ ^spanish^ ^inquisition^

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That and they don't understand how to manage people ~~remotely~~.

FTFY

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[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Ok, let's say it is a covid-era privilege. Why does that mean it has to go away? Why can't it be a modern day innovation? Isn't it a curb on vehicle emissions? More spending money in people's wallets if they're not paying for gas or coffee or meals on the go due to commuting? What's the fuckin downside?? We stumbled upon a good thing

Oh fuck, I forgot the real estate prices. My bad. Yea let's cancel this whole thing

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 48 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

You forgot, it saves people 30 mins - 2 hours every day. What are they going to do with that time? Enjoy themselves? Advocate for their own interests?

No, clearly this cannot stand

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 18 points 2 weeks ago

Isn’t it a curb on vehicle emissions?

Welllll, Elon owns a large share of a company that makes vehicles. So the more people drive, the better for him.

[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

It’s also incredibly fucked up that they’re worried about real estate prices falling in an economy where so many are having a problem paying rent or owning a house.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy's entire existence is a privilege.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 48 points 2 weeks ago
[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 46 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Can Musk please, please, please, just fucking die already? Preferably burnt to death while trapped in a cybertruck. He's just so stupid and has too much power, and I'm tired of people treating him like he's worth more than utter contempt.

Ramaswamy can go, too. Conspiracy theory peddling sycophant.

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[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"I'll be in the office when Elon is in the office."

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah is this guy showing up to Tesla, Twitter, and SpaceX every single day?

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He needs us more than we need him.

he should probably let that sink in.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Covid - the best times of our lives

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If COVID was the best, just wait till bird flu gets here.

[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They probably won’t lock down again. It will be full steam ahead for the economy. Keep throwing bodies into the burner.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago

I worked at a national company of some fame for nearly 20 years. They have two main offices, one in the midwest and one in New England. Before COVID, it was common for folks to work from home, spread across the United States. We even had some fringe cases where people lived in England or Japan and worked from there. I don't work there anymore, but I hear post covid they are forcing people to move and work from the office. It really is leadership brain rot, everywhere, regardless of industry.

[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

I’ve been working remotely long before the pandemic and I will continue to do so - I’m far from being alone in that. Also, we are still in the “covid-era”, we just collectively decided to pretend we aren’t.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

First remote job I had was in 2010 making barely more than minimum wage for tier 1 phone support. These guys are off their rockers.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Rip Disabled people I guess.

And this is coming from the same peoppe saying “just get a job”.

You gotta provide accomodations my guy.

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[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm "racist" against billionaires and not even pretending not to be. There's like no more than a small handful who do much (relative % I mean) good for anybody. Those should be noted and tasted normally (if they weren't while on the way up), but they should be taxed out of existence. Il

I don't know what the number should be, but it shouldn't be possible for your net worth to even approach a billion.

Probably smaller than $50M. Shouldn't be possible to surpass that much. Even that amount should be heavily forced into charity.

If you're in that upper echelon, I automatically hate you before I've heard of you, and I'm fairly confident the amount of times I'm wrong would be extremely small.

Super rich people have to prove they're worth not hating. Their default position is "hated idiot" until proven otherwise.

There's just so little possibility I wouldn't want them dead in a vacuum (devoid of other moral considerations).

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 2 weeks ago

You mean the "privilege" of working from home so tech CEOs could make billions of dollars?

Obviously billions of dollars is just the result of hard work and not a privilege at all.

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The company I work for is pushing almost all of IT to WFH so they can get rid of all the office space they're renting. It actually kind of sucks for me because I don't like working from home.

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

HE'S WORKING FROM FUCKING MARALAGO FUCK YOU

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

What i don't get in all of this: There are already companies that did go out of business because too many people just left, due to them not being able to do WFH. Personally, I do like going to the office 1-2 times a week, but even I would leave the company if the got rid of WFH completely. There's near full employment everywhere, especially tech companies already have to go the extra mile to get people to work for them. Why would anyone stay at a company that does not do WFH, if that's one thing they got to enjoy?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is why they're also fighting for those visas. They want to hire people but don't want to pay US wages. And when your residency depends on your employment, you're going to be much less likely to call out bullshit or whatever

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Still trying to look as cool as possible, and it doesn't work when they do it, so they try harder, which makes it even worse. Dweebs.

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