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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The difference is whether or not the CEO is working against the people or against the government.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Over 95% of people support the CPC, so it's fair to say that the people approve of the way the CPC is handling billionaires that are highly corrupt or otherwise guilty of mass crimes. If we ask Harvard themselves about the results of their study, they say "We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment." This directly goes against claims of "social credit" preventing this, moreover the "Orwellian Social Credit System" hinted at doesn't even exist, at least not in the manner most think it does. Even more overtly, they state "Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being."

[–] Traister101@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

95% of the people in a dictatorship like the dictator! That's crazy

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It isn't a dictatorship, source on it being one please? Secondly, I outright bolded where the western study outlined that the biggest factor in approval was the real material improvements in their lives. Why do you think you know more about a country than the billions that live there?

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

You're wasting your time, if living in that shit hole and having to pay out the ass whenever their bank, insurance, landlord, ISP, or utility company wants to pad out their margins while their politicians get bribed by them isn't enough to convince them that they're the ones living in a dictatorship, nothing short of total societal collapse will.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Ah, yeah, true democracy is when everyone fucking hates congress, the supreme court, the president, their senator, their cops and their prosecutors, but they have no choice but to accept them.

Y'all get to be sassy on Twitter tho, good for you lmao

[–] Traister101@lemmy.today 0 points 1 month ago

I have never and will continue to never use Twitter. It was a shit hole long before Eron Musk bought it and made it a haven for terminally online Neo Natzis. I love how the immediate reaction whenever anybody says something slightly not in favor of the CCP you tankies do this kinda stuff lmao. Believe it or not people can believe things simultaneously, like maybe CCP is not great and also US not amazing?

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

All this comment section proves is that if the only thing that changed was that Thompson was a Chinese healthcare CEO called Zhao Qiang and got clapped by the government libs would be calling him a working class hero and a martyr like the fucking NYT.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Working class rebel vs Elite class looking for more control

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

This is your brain on a lack of class analysis

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

What the heck is an "elite class?" Where did Marx talk about it?

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[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Please show your work. What is the proof that it was done for more control?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Are you asking for proof of Occupied China being a planned economy or that the party controls it?

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[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I see people ask "what tankie shit" quite often

Thank you for the violently clear example to link to you blind idiot

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago
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[–] 3dogsinatrenchcoat@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 month ago

Official gweilo post

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is good agitation. Im not a blanket supporter but its been a good thread with a lot of decent links worthy of critical support. Lemmy world needed this lmao

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

When you see them seethe through the entire script and react to articles like you showed a cross to nosferatu you know they're learning without their consent

[–] carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

One isn't a corrupt dictator killing or imprisoning anyone who complains about him. If you think the little guy isn't getting hurt in China I want the drugs you're on.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's 1.4 billion Chinese citizens. Do y'all think this is Star Wars and you can just jail tens of millions with nobody noticing or complaining? Terminally unserious.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Do you have any source on the PRC killing or imprisoning anyone who complains about it? Moreover, what do you think about 95%+ Chinese citizens supporting the CPC? If we ask Harvard themselves about the results of their study, they say "We find that first, since the start of the survey in 2003, Chinese citizen satisfaction with government has increased virtually across the board. From the impact of broad national policies to the conduct of local town officials, Chinese citizens rate the government as more capable and effective than ever before. Interestingly, more marginalized groups in poorer, inland regions are actually comparatively more likely to report increases in satisfaction. Second, the attitudes of Chinese citizens appear to respond (both positively and negatively) to real changes in their material well-being, which suggests that support could be undermined by the twin challenges of declining economic growth and a deteriorating natural environment." This directly goes against claims of "social credit" preventing this, moreover the "Orwellian Social Credit System" hinted at doesn't even exist, at least not in the manner most think it does. Even more overtly, they state "Although state censorship and propaganda are widespread, our survey reveals that citizen perceptions of governmental performance respond most to real, measurable changes in individuals’ material well-being."

[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Many of the chronically online social media poster (read: western professional class) are closer to the CEO than they are to any other group. The temporarily embarrassed millionaires as they're also known.

Statistically a not insignificant number of them are millionaires by net worth. Especially when we consider demographics where it's mainly tech workers. But of course that doesn't count because of some indeterminate line between evil CEO and average Joe who worked hard.

The cognitive dissonance is that they're all part of the same system. Climbing the same ladder. In any other context these people are bragging about being executive of some random startup or whatever.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

They're not, they just think they are. They're every bit as oppressed and the sharing of the imperial spoils hasn't been a thing since at least the fall of the USSR, once there was literally no alternative. Now there is an alternative but the population has been so thoroughly propagandized that you mention any enemy of the State Dept and they start frothing at the mouth.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Non-westerners' view on what life is like here always amaze me. Then they complain they're not rich besides earning "a lot", because they're fed the propaganda that we're all dirty imperialists exploiting them. No, most of us are not millionaires. Most of us can't even buy a place to live without enslaving ourselves for half our life to bankers. But OK buddy

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Which is why the rest of us is confused about why most of y'all so rabidly do the propaganda work for your oppressors. Y'all consistently get to the line of class consciousness and then do a 180 and sprint in the opposite direction whenever it concerns foreigners.

[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I am a westerner. No other comment. You've already made up your mind. And I can't be assed to talk over what ever incronguencies you have of mindset.

we’re all dirty imperialists exploiting them

Okay just one comment I'll have to withold else I'll probably get banned for insulting your intelligence

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