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Former Ukrainian boxing champion Wladimir Klitschko accused podcaster Joe Rogan of “repeating Russian propaganda” after Rogan criticized U.S. military aid to Ukraine and suggested it could escalate into World War III.

Klitschko defended Ukraine’s resistance against Russia, highlighting the country’s fight for freedom and condemning Rogan’s remarks as aiding Putin’s agenda.

He invited Rogan to discuss their differences on the podcast “like free men.”

Rogan, who recently endorsed Donald Trump, called the war a “proxy war” and criticized Biden’s decision to allow Ukraine to strike Russian soil with U.S.-supplied missiles.

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[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

If Rogan accepts him on his show, I'll actually gain a touch of respect for him.

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[–] urno@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I’m interested to see how JR responds. I heard the “Kamala was a chicken” line pre-election because she avoided him, for whatever reason. Now the tables have been turned! It’s a win-win for me because either I can sing out “Rogan is a chicken” or he actually has a discussion with Klitschko and many will have their positions challenged.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I would ppv to see this guy smash rogan's face.

With facts and logic. And his fists.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Why is "proxy war" in scare quotes?

It's just a war where at least one of the belligerents is supported by at least one third party. Is there anyone who doubts that the Ukraine war meets any part of that definition?

[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t consider it a proxy war.

Ukraine isn’t a US proxy nor is Russia anyone’s proxy.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 0 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not sure why people keep saying this.

A proxy war has nothing to do with either side being "a proxy." It only means that one of the sides is being supported by some nations that's not part of the war. That's very obviously the case here.

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[–] Laser@feddit.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because Ukraine isn't a proxy and neither is Russia.

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I get that people don't want to associate Ukraine with the US's horrible track record with proxy wars but the term is still just a dry political definition and the Ukraine war fits it perfectly.

It would stop being a proxy war if the US (and everyone else) cut off funding or if they actually engaged in hostilities. As long as the US (or any nation) aids Russia or Ukraine without directly participating, it's a proxy war because that's how proxy wars are defined.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Would Iran, North Korea, and the other countries sending arms to Russia need to cut their support for it to stop being a proxy war? Or do they get a free pass for being the underdogs?

[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

Yes. They would. There are no “free passes” on a definition.

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[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I thought they meant Vitali, but I didn't know his brother was a boxer too.

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