Russia's "Peace Plan" is to actually take over Ukraine, and then the Baltics, and then Poland, and then Germany and the rest of the Central Europe, and then France and the UK, and rest of Western Europe, and then they'll take over the Atlantic Ocean and Iceland and Greenland, and then they'll come and take over the United States, state by state starting from the East Coast going to the West Coast, and then Hawaii, and then Japan, and then they'll autocoup themselves oblast by oblast starting with Vladivostok where they'll be dug in for months trying to make roads that connect to the rest of Russia but then they'll keep marching West and when they finally loop all the way back around to Lviv the whole West will be defeated and we'll all be speaking Russian and saying Hail Putler and the brave Galician racists will be rolling in their graves saying I told you so.

And that's why at least 4 generations of Ukrainian men need to be eradicated for American interests in Eastern Europe.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago

The Ukrainians seem to disagree.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't think that's the case. It exists, Just demilitarized.

[–] griefstricken@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 days ago

The Russian oligarchs actually really wanted to chill and trade titanium through Ukraine. None of this NATO think tank narrative makes sense.

[–] finderscult@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, Russias peace plan is the separatist nations get to exist, and Ukraine doesn't get NATO bases so they can't build up a second attack any time soon.

Russia has been quite reasonable throughout.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago

Didn’t you hear, Putler is a fascist madman who will stop at nothing short of Soviet revanchism or European Lebensraum, depending on which member of the Council on Foreign Relations you ask on a given day.

[+] Korkki@lemmy.world -17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

russias’s “peace plan” is “Ukraine no longer exists”

No it isn't. Eastern Ukraine and neutrality is still very far from the end of Ukraine and is still very reasonable deal to make for peace.

Zelensky's peace plan is still Russia to retreat from everywhere, including crimea, and then Ukraine can have "peace talks" about Russian reparations to Ukraine. This is not just unreasonable, it's delusional. This kind of unbending attitude from the side that everybody knows is losing is no fucking bravery. It's stupidity that prolongs a lost war for only Ukraine's and Ukrainian people's loss. All because Kiev and Zelensky are politically and narrative wise boxed themselves in for a war to the bitter end.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

This is not just unreasonable, it's delusional

“unreasonable” is a choice of words… russia invaded a sovereign state; that was their choice… i’d say it’s very reasonable for russia to fuck right off and fix the damages, which is to say nothing of the lives ukraine lost because of that choice - anything less is unreasonable

whether that’s realistic or not is another question, but fair and reasonable are not realistic because the world is not fair, especially when it comes to the bullshit bullying that happens with all major military powers

[–] Korkki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

i’d say it’s very reasonable for russia to fuck right off and fix the damages, which is to say nothing of the lives ukraine lost because of that choice - anything less is unreasonable

Yes, This is what you want! It's a wish not bound in any sound perception of reality on the groundt.

people shouldn't have to keep dying for a lost cause and I will not apologize for that. Ukraine still has a change for a future, but it won't if it fights this war to "the last Ukrainian" as zelensky and many "pro-Ukraine" trolls seem to want.

bullshit bullying that happens with all major military powers

International politics have always been law of the jungle and ability to do violence of political, economical and military kind to other countries has always been the measuring stick of international power and ability to guard national interests. Why anybody got to believe otherwise was because for a short time in the 90s and early 2000s US was the unquestioned global hegemon and could by itself set a global rules, enforce them and crush dissent. That gave the illusion (in the west mainly) that there were no longer small and big countries in competition in the world. With US as the policeman there got to be some semblance of law between countries like there was law within these countries among individuals. Now Russia is portrayed as a law breaker when it's using it's "military veto" in Ukraine and pushing against the post-cold war status quo and "restoring normalcy" in international affairs.

I don't think this is necessarily good, but I do think it is very much happening and it was bound to do so.

[–] ninjabard@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Lick that boot harder.

[–] Lysergid@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Emm, yes it is. Watch Putins’ interviews where he says Ukrainians is fake nation. Dude is mental and thinks he is savior of slavs. “Peace” is just giving Russia break which it desperately needs to resume invasion later.

[–] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Out of the 52% who favor negotiations, 52% said Ukraine should be open to territorial concessions

So the number of Ukrainians who favor realistic negotiations is about 26%.

[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is almost no reason for them to fight.
Surprised it took this long.

Either side are capitalist oligarchs.

Russia gives them citizenship and the EU will still recognize old Ukrainian citizenship. it's like a win win. Whats the benefit to keep fighting, just strange.

If I would get conscripted - if just walk away if those are my choices or just surrender.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t there somebody you forgot to ask?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banderite

[–] _pi@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Who gives a fuck about Ukrainians though, what does Jimmy Bob in Bumfuck Nebrahoma think?

It's the inalienable right of liberals to claim the high ground for their Nazi ass government to sacrifice foreign people for their stock market.