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[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Now we just need to use the user information to check their net worth, and if it's above a certain amount it needs to hover a quest marker above that person. I'm curious to see how long before privacy laws get stronger.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If it's a billionaire it's just a combat marker.

[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago

We can use augmented reality to turn them into a chicken drumstick or a nice juicy steak.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 69 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

The project is designed to raise awareness of what is possible with this technology.

This has nothing to do with smart glasses, and everything to do with surveillance capitalism. You could do the same thing with a smartphone, or any camera + computer. All this does is highlight how everyones most sensitive data has been aggregated by numerous corporations and is available to anyone who will pay for it. There was a time when Capitalism used to equate itself as the "free" and privacy preserving antithesis to Soviet style communist surveillance, yet no KGB agent ever had access to a system with 1/100th the surveillance capabilities that 21st century capitalism now sells freely for profit. If you need proof, a couple of college students were able to create every stalking victims worst nightmare.

[–] vzq@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I mean sort of.

It does mean that walking around with smart glasses will have people potentially reacting to you like you are waving a recording smartphone in their face.

Which is not great for product adoption, if you get my drift.

[–] nevemsenki@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Soon smartglasses will look like regular glasses though. Miniaturisation isn't about to stop.

[–] Mushroomm@sh.itjust.works 3 points 11 hours ago

Yea the ray bans in question are completely discreet unless told or you've seen them already

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

New style: Frameless glasses or you are creeping.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Frameless glasses AND clear temples

[–] vonbaronhans@midwest.social 1 points 10 hours ago

Clear temples?

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago

Time to get myself a scramble suit.

[–] recursive_recursion@lemmy.ca 29 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

at this point, masking up in public provides protections for both health and privacy reasons

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 14 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Apple already demonstrated that you can still get pretty darn close from eyes and hair. Combine that with a bit of logic (There is a 40% chance this is Sally Smith but she also lives three streets over and works on that street) and you still have very good odds.

Well... unless you are black, brown, or asian. Since the facial recognition tech is heavily geared toward white people because tech bros.

[–] conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 23 points 17 hours ago (9 children)

Facial recognition works better on white people because, mathematically, they provide more information in real world camera use cases.

Darker skin reflects less light and dark contrast is much more difficult for cameras to capture unless you have significantly higher end equipment.

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[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I think it would be funny to normalize wearing bloc in order to retain privacy. It’s why some people might wear accessories they normally don’t wear, such as beanies and sunglasses at protests, even if they aren’t in full bloc, covering hair and eyes (in addition to a surgical mask) can make it really hard to doxx someone.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, you definitely want to wear a mask and some goggles at a protest. If only for the purpose of pepper spray. I totally don't have a thin gaiter, goggles ,and a beanie and have definitely not heard great things about mountain biking helmets (the ones with faceguards) and totally am not considering grabbing one next time I do an REI run.

But also be aware that, with protests, you are almost always up against the groups who have access to all those "traffic" cameras and the like. And computer vision makes it fairly trivial to identify when a bunch of unmasked people walked into a dark alley and came out with their faces fully covered by tracking them back from the 4th street protest. It isn't Enemy Of The State levels of asking Baby Busey and Jamie Kennedy to generate a 3d model from a single shot of Big Willy Style ogling some ta-tas, but most of the ways surveillance is used during that sequence are shockingly realistic and feasible.

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In most cases there isn’t much you can do to fool the government without a lot of prep time such as scouting routes to find cameras, destroying them, or being really good at changing into bloc in the middle of a crowd and not getting caught.

But the important thing is threat modeling. The past dozen or so protests I’ve been at haven’t had the government as a big threat, it has had fascists as the primary threat. While a fascist cop would be a problem, it is much less likely than fascists combing through protest footage to try and doxx people, or a fascist at said action trying to get good photographs. That’s why I masked up.

The last real dicey action that I went to I still masked up, even knowing that the government could still try to track me if needed because I knew it would be time consuming to do so, and that they would only go through the process of doing that if I make it worth their while. Bloc is still effective, but quite hard under this heavily surveillanced police state.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 2 points 16 hours ago

The thing is? Ignoring the apparent void that black skin creates on all cameras (oy), it doesn't take much time. It takes computing power.

As poops and giggles a few friends and I took the public (rumble...) traffic camera feeds that a nearby county has online. Set up a simple python script to scrape those and then configured an off the shelf tool to track a buddy's general car (green hatchback) and told him to just drive around for an hour.

We were able to map his route with about 70% accuracy with about two hours of scripting and reading documentation. And there are companies that provide MUCH better products for the people who have access to the direct feeds and all the cameras we don't have access to.

[–] Eggyhead@fedia.io 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

And then masks become illegal.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 1 points 16 hours ago

If you have something to hide.......

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

A company called Clearview AI broke that unwritten rule and developed a powerful facial recognition system using billions of images scraped from social media. Primarily, Clearview sells its product to law enforcement. Clearview has also explored a pair of smart glasses that would run its facial recognition technology. The company signed a contract with the U.S. Air Force on a related study.

Just another reason to not post all your images to social media. Share with family/friends who care but thats it.

[–] xavier666@lemm.ee 2 points 6 hours ago

Do not share the image in a private Facebook group. Don't post it on popular direct messaging services.

The only way (which I still don't trust), some privacy-preserving E2E encrypted file storage server or (which I trust) via your own Matrix server.

[–] 11111one11111@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Right?! That is all it takes to save your privacy is just not having social media but noone is willing to do that.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 8 points 13 hours ago

The main concern I have is unavoidably having my picture taken. Say I go to a family gathering, of course they will take my picture if it's a big event. They then will probably share it everywhere. I can't reasonably say "don't post this picture on the internet" they probably will.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 20 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

If I could get glasses that told me "that guy enthusiastically greeting you by name right now is Marty, you last met him in university in such-and-such class eight years ago" I would pay any amount of money for that.

"Doxing people" and "recognizing people" have a pretty blurry border.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Recording and even more so profiling people without their explicit consent is completely not okay.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

In private you are correct. In public it is a lot more complicated.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

No, it is not. Keep your camera out of my face.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

this guy doesn't smile for the camera

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 7 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Stay home. 🤷‍♂️ When you are in public, people can see you. You don't get to tell me what I can and can't look at or take a picture of. (Note that I said this was complicated, and this is where the complications start - I should be able to record you in public if I am not specifically monitoring or harassing you, or trying to obtain pictures of things under your clothes, for instance, which IS a violation of your privacy. But just walking around in public recording things? You can't take my rights away just because you think you should have complete privacy even when out in public.)

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I do that as much as I can anyway, but even I have to go and buy groceries about once per week. And yes, I literally do get to tell you not to record me, because it is very much illegal to record people without their consent here. Cry about it if you want.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I'd be interested in hearing more about what law you're referring to (or you could point me at a.similar example, I don't need to know where you live). My understanding is that even in two-party consent states you can record in public as long as you aren't recording conversations and/or the people being recorded have no expectation of privacy (no one should be recording anything in public bathrooms, changing rooms, etc. - you do have an expectation of privacy there even though you are in public, for instance.)

I don't get that emotional about online stuff, but thanks for your concern.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

My country is easy to figure out and not really a secret and generally known for individual privacy laws. You can publicly record something, but only for as long as it does not violate the personal rights of someone - and yes, that still includes their privacy rights. The above example of directly recording or let alone profiling someone through "AI" is not legal without consent, and there's also further laws regarding AI surveillance within the entirety of the EU. The same goes for publicly sharing such recordings online. You generally have to blur people's faces and even license plates of public recordings. There's also laws regarding "hidden recordings", which I'd place this under since I could not tell if your glasses are recording me or not.

[–] andyburke@fedia.io 3 points 10 hours ago

Sorry, but could you cite a specific law? I'm interested to see the differences in the EU vs. what we have here in the states.

I spent a little time trying to do my own legwork and there is stuff under GDPR but that excepts personal recordings. (Akin to the complications in the US where if you publish or profit from a video recorded in public it's different and more complicated.)

So I am curious about how these protections are carved out and I can't quite find the law(s) you are discussing without some help.

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[–] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 19 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

Ahh, Glassholes

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 7 points 18 hours ago

This headline would have carried a ton more weight if it wasn't so extremely click-baity.

The ends do not justify the means?

[–] xodoh74984@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Surely the original "someone" is Meta. Good to have a redundant system I guess /s

[–] zout@fedia.io 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I read earlier "someone" were a couple of college students.

[–] Seraph@fedia.io 3 points 13 hours ago

It's literally the first line of the article you guys, fucking read it instead of speculating:

A pair of students at Harvard have built...

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 16 hours ago

I guess we need those Cyberpunk 2077 holographic masks that the Scavs use to hide their faces.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 2 points 16 hours ago

well, no, someone used meta smart glasses to feed their instagram, and used facial recognition software on a different device like a pc to scan the instagram photos, and push their results to their smartphone

not the same thing

[–] mesamunefire@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

What does the article say? Its asking to sign up.

NVM got it: https://archive.is/a2VYP

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