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Privacy
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
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- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
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simple. ban imaging sensors in the public
That's not simple :P
Can the doxxing tech be used to ID law enforcement officers? A lot of them are assholes and bullies knowing their IDs will [be] protected by state and corporate interests.
And police in the US are more than eager to use facial recognition and ALPR services to bypass our fourth amendment protections.
This is kind of the ironic catch of surveillance technology. There's way less people in positions of power and authority that the tech can be used to surveil. Honestly the bourgeois is better far not advancing it and just using old fashioned violent coercion.
Take a photo of a cop, upload it to the website, and find out.
Report back.
What's driving me nuts is that people will focus on the glasses.
Yes, the glasses ARE a problem because Meta, despite being warned by experts like AccessNow to SHOW when a camera is recording, you know with a bright red LED as it's been the case with others devices before, kept it "stealthy" because it's... cool I guess?
Anyway, the glasses themselves are but the tip of the iceberg. They are the end of the surveillance apparatus that people WILLINGLY decide to contribute to. What do I mean? Well that people who are "shocked" by this kind of demonstrations (because that's what it is, not actual revelations) will be whining about it on Thread or X after sending a WhatsApp message to their friends and sending GMail to someone else on their Google, I mean Android, phone and testing the latest version of ChatGPT. Maybe the worst part in all this? They paid to get a Google Nest inside their home and an Amazon Ring video doorbell outside. They ARE part of the surveillance.
Those people are FUELING surveillance capitalism by pouring their private data to large corporations earning money on their usage.
Come on... be shocked yes, be horrified yes, but don't pretend that you are not part of the problem. You ARE wearing those "glasses" in other form daily, you are paying for it with money and usage. Stop and buy actual products, software and hardware, from companies who do not make money with ads, directly or indirectly. Make sure the products you use do NOT rely on "the cloud" and siphon all your data elsewhere, for profit. Change today.
Several states have anti-spying laws that require disclosure that you're recording them. I expect we'll see an uptick in lawsuits about this issue, which will force Meta to revise their device or will cause a chilling effect on their sales.
I doubt it. They’ll flaunt the laws and demonstrate how corporations have become ungovernable.
Source on that? Last I checked it was nationwide that there was no expectation to privacy in public places
I recently had to explain to my boomer mom why a Ring doorbell was a bad idea. She didn't seem to get that the system is cheap because it's constantly feeding whatever it sees to both Ring and your local cops.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this isn't doxing? It's pulling already public info and not sharing it with the world.
Doxing is usually gathering already public info, but I agree if it's not shared it's not doxing.
I never understood doxxing laws. All the people do is compile publicly available data. How is it illegal in some places?
It's because you're gathering data to encourage others to use it for nefarious purposes. It's not just innocently looking up their email or whatever.
If it is all publicly available, it should be legal to repackage and release the info. As long as there is no call to action.
I'm pretty sure intent is part of the laws that exist. If you're just collating information, I don't think there's an issue. When you're posting that information in a forum to identify the person and send people to harass them, that's where you usually cross a line. It isn't the gathering of information that's important. It's the intent to cause harm.
Welp, guess it's time for IR reflective tattoos to defeat facial recognition
So... Add high-contrast uniquely identifiable markings to yourself?
Seems counterproductive.
it can work if everyone does it. Unfortunately we can't even do a boycott on a product properly so no chance for that to happen.
Full face tattoo and getting multiple people on board might do the trick for however long until additional markers are found for the edge case. I think clown makeup would do better since it varies day to day.
This tech could easily work with any type of camera too, that's a lot harder to identify than glasses with a light that turns on when its recording. Hidden cameras on pins, necklaces, clothing, etc.
What a world we live in
I think the biggest concern is how easy it is to do. Not everyone has a CIA surveillance pin.
not many people are likely to have one but tiny cameras in various forms are quite cheap.
I think they even have pen (like, writing pen) cameras that can fit inside a front pocket for pretty cheap.
People lost their shit about Google Glass, claiming users would be able to take pics of them without their knowledge, yet they didn't bat an eye at the established creepers doing that already with smartphones and they sure don't seem to care much about Meta putting forth Glass 2.0, now with more invasiveness! An article about it is a good first step, but articles like this about Glass were everywhere, along with a general negative sentiment in the public (and there even were some assaults on people using those things!), yet I rarely hear about these even worse glasses. Do people just not care about privacy anymore?
Personally, I also hadn't even heard of these until now. Maybe they're just not being marketed to the tech enthusiast crowd as we're the sorta people who'd diss it for the privacy implication?
yet they didn’t bat an eye at the established creepers doing that already with smartphones
I don't think anyone's happy about that either, but the problem with Google Glass (and now even worse with the Facebook ones) is that they're pretty damn subtle. You notice someone taking out their phone to take a photo of you, but just looking towards you with sunglasses on? Welllllll yeah.
Do people just not care about privacy anymore?
Correct. Older people still do, but it’s 20 years later now and there are two generations of people who have never had privacy at any point of their lives. So they don’t understand what has been taken from them, and openly declare that they don’t care.
Google Glass was way back in like 2013, 10 years later people just expect to have cameras everywhere in public since nearly everyone now has a good camera in their pocket that they're also using to actually take pics and videos all the time of food, places, buildings, scenery, selfies etc.
Each one of us is probably in the background of who knows many peoples pictures by now
I think the problem lies in the underestimation of the potential for that level of personal data. The privacy counter-argument is usually “nothing to hide.” Psychographic profiling is the incredibly accurate practice of predicting an individual’s engagement based on previous choices, and is far more invasive than “telling secrets.”
For its part, Meta cautions users against being glassholes in its privacy policy
Lol
Glassholes was coined back when Google was working on Google Glass about 10-12y ago and people kept theirs on and recording while in public
Only they are allowed to do that!!
Pretty sure this was described exactly in Snow Crash (Neal Stephenson, 1992).
Fucking gargoyles.
The sad thing is, facial recognition glasses would be really useful to people like me with prosopagnosia (face blindness), but I would only want them if the processing is done locally on device.
As with most bleeding edge technology, all the danger comes from capitalism, and not the technology itself.
It would be also really useful to have a database of oil company executives and other shitty people that aren't easy to recognize but worth refusing service etc.
Aaahh, I want out of this dystopian timeline, I did not sign up for this!
Huh. Who saw this coming besides literally everyone?