So, Israel will retaliate for Iran retaliating against Israel's actions that were retaliation for...
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And continue the chain back 70 to (less credibly) 3000 years. Welcome to the Middle East.
If it were anywhere else, the world would insist everyone to calm the hell down and negotiate, but the white guys vaguely in the Bible are involved here, and America has feelings about that.
It’s retaliations all the way down…
Always has been.
I mean, there's a bit more nuance to it. The Middle East has changed dramatically several times in the last century. If you put it that way you make it sound like the Crusades are still going, which is not historically accurate.
The jist that everyone's memory selectively extends back to the last time they were wronged is correct, though.
Zionism was invented in 1897. There was no "retaliation" before.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_as_settler_colonialism
Israel has two realistic options
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de escalate, don't retaliate and watch them keep going.
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escalate, retaliate, and give Iran the same two choices.
The difference being that Israel has been going for escalations much stronger, having attacked Lebanon far more often over the past year than Hezbollah had attacked them and ramping things up with more and more attacks including attacks onto Syria and Iran directly.
Netanyahu needs the escalation to distract from the failure of achieving any strategic goal in Gaza and to drag the US into a war, so as to not finally draw a line to Israels actions.
Yup. And yet some how rockets are still happily coming in both directions. Same two choices remain.
De-escalate, everything goes back to normal is looking pretty viable, actually. Or at least was a couple weeks ago. Israel is the only one that wants to have a regional war right now.
That would mean Netanyahu goes to jail for corruption, though, and he doesn't feel like it. And America doesn't feel like stopping him.
Lather, rinse, repeat for 5,000 years.
There is really no connection between Ur and like, Saddam or Otzma Yedhudit. It's had just as much history and as many eras as the next region (actually more).
The same can be said for the entire world for the last 5,000 years. Although most od the world has settled down to historic lows in the recent past, there are multiple external powers that keep destabilizing the Middle East whenever it seems like the cycle might end there.
Carlin used to joke about the India / Pakistan conflict. "Ancient hatreds with modern weapons!"
Not ancient at all. The empire divided up India in 1947.
Pakistan literally wasn't a thing before that. Muslim vs. Hindu is older, I suppose, although some might pick a bone about if the Mughals count as "ancient".
That's been their tactic this whole time. Threats and retaliation against the defending nation. I believe this is the third time.with Iran now?
When a "news" outlet uses this kind of propaganda, it demonstrates just how useless the imperial news is. And it's always been this way.
Israel: triple retaliate, no erasees
Not gonna lie
It was pretty cool watching the rockets flying in and getting blown up. I get the seriousness of it all but these are definitely interesting times.
Yeah, missile intercepts always look cool. Though, it is unfortunate that it's due to what is assuredly an escalation. Israel took the first Iranian missile salvo two months ago without direct retaliation; I don't see that happening again here.
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