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I wanted to get printer photo paper for my printer, a Canon. I went to Walmart, They had nothing. Went to Target, they had one pack of photo paper and it was crazy expensive, so I went to micro center. That one was just as expensive. So finally I went back to Amazon, which I was trying to avoid, and saw the price 25 to 40% lower than anywhere I had been. Literally everything that I was looking for, I could find within seconds. Not even Best buy has even close to the amount of inventory or variety, even when you're shopping online....

Therefore, I think Amazon has a literal monopoly in the tech industry right now, you're literally forced to buy from them, because unless you have the money and financial fortitude to protest with your wallet, you're going to be buying from them. There's no other choice. They have so aggressively and dominantly taken over the supply chain market that no other tech company can currently compete with them in any aspect at all. You will be paying 40 to 50% more on everything by cutting out Amazon, and no one has the money for that anymore unless you're upper middle class or above

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[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You were looking for office supplies: did you check an office supply store?

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Definitely would have been my first choice to look also, but do you think that staples or office max is going to have something cheaper than amazon?

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It depends on the paper based on some quick searching, but I can pickup the paper from staples faster than Amazon will deliver it.

[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

This would be a great point if we were discussing how fast you can get the item and not the cost of the item.

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[–] FlexxxingOnThePoors@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

It would help if you went to the right stores first. Try Office Max, Staples, Office Depot, etc.

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[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Amazon has very good deals OR very bad ones. I find Microcenter often equal to or even better than Amazon in most tech stuff.

Your experience is exactly why you shouldn't make sweeping judgement on one data point.

  1. Photo paper isn't really tech. It's a supply.

  2. It's a low volume niche item.

  3. People that are buying it are less likely to care about cost (older) or want it right now. So Microcenter feels they can charge more. (IMO)

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I am fortunate to live in a country where amazon is not strong and we have aggregated search engines that over all the small shops, compete against Amazon on selection and cost, often beating it. I hope it stays this way.

[–] gingernate@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Here in Germany there are still plenty of independent online retailers and they're competitive with Amazon. I always try to avoid buying from Amazon and for tech products that's usually no problem.

[–] Kyouki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Netherlands here and as well we have so many local shops that outbeat Amazon that it isn't even fair. There is a very small chance I buy something of Amazon, think the only time I did was for a replacement item for a Dyson.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think “beat out” may have been what you meant. And in this example I would probably just say they “beat” Amazon.

[–] Kyouki@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How dare you expose my mobile typing and/or my not-native language speaker! /s

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[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Same in Spain. I don't even have an Amazon account, btw.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 2 months ago

Let me guess, the EU actually put laws in place to ”remediate that problem” like a ”functioning government”.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Here in Italy practically no one is as quick as Amazon tho

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So? What's the deal in waiting a couple of days?

Exactly. I convinced my wife that we really don't need everything to arrive in 0-2 days, it's totally fine if things take 3-5 days. So I cancelled our Prime sub, and it's been absolutely fine. In fact, we spend a bit less due to that minimum order size. We still usually get things in 2-3 days if we go w/ Amazon (we're right next to a hub), but we've been buying from more retailers now that we plan for longer delivery times.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Amazon has a healthcare company now too...

...and they own twitch.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Wait til you find out about AWS and how half the internet runs on it.

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I tried blocking anything Amazon in my adguard home instance...holy shit that broke a lot of sites, I had to unblock it to have functional internet.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Remember that time like 10 years ago, when some local news station was doing a story about Amazon having all the best tech deals, and then the one co-host butts in and says "You know why they have a monopoly, right? RIGHT??? SHE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT!!!"

And everybody was giving blank looks, like "Uh....no? What ARE you talking about?"

And he's like "Because they sell all the sex toys, and deliver it right to your house! Ladies? Right???? IT'S CONVIENENT!!!"

And everybody just had their mouth open in shock like "WTF ARE YOU DOING???"

and then he goes on and on about dildos, as his cohost continually tries to move on, but he keeps talking about dildos. And she's looking like she wants to strangle him.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Never saw that but that is hilarious.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

That look on her face is priceless.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Not as bad as promised. I mean he has a point.

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, but I enjoyed your retelling.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You should watch news bloopers on youtube. There's so many classics.

"........I so pale......." *You're on!" Immediately goes into news reporter mode as her cohost giggles

Also, a woman talking to the weatherman: "How bout that 69, huh? I know you're excited about the no rain, but how bout that 69???" Rest of the news crew stonewalls.

Or the woman doing an on-location report about a guy who grills hamburgers for his resteraunt.

"Now, can I try one of these?"

"Absolutely. I would LOVE to see my meat in your mouth!

"NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE HEARD THAT!!!"

There was the cohost who was in a grape smashing competition to make wine, and she yelled "WAIT!!!" and then started stomping extra fast herself. Basically cheating. And then she slipped and fell face first off an 8 foot drop right onto her face. And she starts groaning in pain.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

I do remember that. It's not often you get to witness workplace sexual harassment broadcast live on air.

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[–] Grappling7155@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I’m surprised there’s so few mentions of AWS in this thread. It’s a huge profit centre for the company and a large portion of the internet is now running off of it. AWS is basically the internet’s landlord now, and the profits generated from being the most popular cloud service provider globally are probably why they can afford to invest so heavily into their logistics infrastructure and retail that people are more familiar with.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

AWS generates more than 50% of Amazon's profit. Their retail side is peanuts, by comparison.

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[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I went to a conference this weekend, and it slowly dawned on me how every single one of the vendors was selling their app hosted on AWS. That's all it is. Just different flavors of AWS.

Even if you dont interact with AWS directly, every business needs business services - you can bet that no matter what you're buying or who you're buying it from, some of your money is going directly to AWS marketplace.

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[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (18 children)

I put some of the blame on retailers as well. Retail stores just don't want to carry inventory anymore, especially tech-focused ones with many of those just turning into glorified showrooms. I don't know how many times I've heard some version of: "Sorry, we don't have that in stock but we can bring it in for you."

We needed a short length of garden hose here for the house so I went to two hardware stores and one garden centre looking for one. Nothing. Not even in their dedicated gardening sections. I had to order it off Amazon. A goddamn garden hose.

Amazon has done a lot of damage for sure but retail is suffering from several self-inflicted wounds too. Home Depot, for example, is a multi-billion dollar corporation and even they have a weaker retail presence now. That's not Amazon's fault.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] 667@lemmy.radio 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

When you absolutely need something to work presicely once between the day you buy it and the day you’re late for jury duty.

[–] wrekone@lemmyf.uk 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've gotten some surprisingly long lasting gems there, but you can never be sure. Like you said, I've also gotten a number "single use" tools from Harbor Freight. Overall though, it's almost always been worth it.

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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

They don’t want to carry inventory because Amazon doesn’t. The prices are higher because vendors are contractually obligated to sell on Amazon at their lowest price. So retailers, with a need to have a physical presence and having to buy at more or less the same price a product is available for on Amazon, get fucked. Their only hope is vendors who make a “different” product to sell at other outlets. An example of what I mean is, Poppi soda sells for $20/12 pack on Amazon. They sell a 15 pack at Costco for the same price. Because it’s a “different” product they are not in breach of contract.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Amazon's pricing I not deterministic. You were likely tracked and information collected to know this was a key item for you. Amazon will market loss leaders to you in an attempt to get you to default to buying on Amazon.

As a former Buyer for a chain of retail stores, the loss leader is effective marketing. I sell you a popular item at or below my typical cost because statistically, a large percentage of customers are making a special trip to my store to buy that product and will make additional purchases at margin. On the wholesale Buying side, these are tools to get past bulk buying tier discounts for seasonal ordering with smaller scale retail.

Amazon is using a convoluted front end system of overlapping product categories and a supposed multi seller listings (despite collectivized logistics and warehousing) on the website you see. This is how they perform price fixing where you do not see honest or straight forward determinism. When you repurchase that same item later without making comparisons, the seller will shuffle so that a higher price is presented.

If you have a well isolated network where device history for social media and internet browsing is totally partitioned from e-commerce you'll likely see even more of the scam. If you see anyone online show the search results and pricing on Amazon, then try to replicate those search results and product price on a device that is totally partitioned from your viewing of the item/price elsewhere, you're likely to find it is not possible. If you then go back to the original device and do the same, you'll magically find the same product and lower price. It is a scam market. This is why they are collecting and paying for all that data about you. We are in an age when automated individual targeting and manipulation is possible and happening. This is why data mining stalkerware is insidious. Scam markets are only the tip of the iceberg and what can be uncovered if you go looking for it. Anyone that has done database or logistics management should have major red flags flying when looking at how Amazon's website is setup. The front end is absolutely untenable garbage for effective logistics. The only reason it is convoluted and search results are terrible is because it is a price fixing scam. The logistical efficiency proves that there is no connection between the front and back end of the site.

oh so basically the entire shitpost about walmart or whatever it was having "dynamic pricing" is literally already real...

ok.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

How much does it say these beans cost?

How does CamelCamelCamel display a price history if the price is different for everyone? Perhaps it’s inaccurate for some (Just hasn’t been for me the handful of times I’ve “had“ to use Amazon.)

And Amazon doesn’t price discriminate if they put something on a nationwide sale? So the bloggers can advertise that AirPods are at their lowest price ever?

reporting on their bad biz practices

They definitely get accused of other unsavory stuff:

Amazon “tricks” customers into buying Fire TVs with false sales prices: Lawsuit

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