cutting head count without “firing” people. standard capitalism bullshit.
stop using amazon. let it rot.
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It's easy to avoid buying things from Amazon. It's hard to avoid AWS. It would be insane to try to suss out what provider everyone that I buy stuff from uses, and their third party relationships. Regulation is better.
Yep, try browsing with ublock origin blocking all Amazon domains. Lots of things break because AWS is so large.
In the old days people used to have their own servers...
And you can still buy them...
And the cloud really isn't cheaper...
But whatever, it's ubiquitous today. Maybe someday people will wake the F up.
Exactly. This is just more failures of govt to constrain and regulate.
The best way to do this is to correlate downtime with main providers. If a cloud provider goes down when AWS has outages on related services, it's probably using an AWS service.
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The employees hired during full remote are now going to have to change their lives around going into the office. Tech employees are especially fucked because they either have to stay or they have to attempt to join the flood of tech employees looking for remote jobs (which was caused by the execs doing layoffs at tech companies).
There should be protections against hiring someone remote and then forcing them into the office as soon as you want to lay people off by forcing them to quit so you don't have to compensate them.
In some countries, there are already.
In others, it will be up to courts to decide whether this is illegally firing staff. That said, good luck getting equal legal representation to these trillion-dollar companies.
So yes, basically, it's legal.
That’ll teach us plebs. We’d better start licking some serious Amazon boot so they deign to let some of us earn enough to not die.
Thats assuming those full remote employees are anywhere near an office.
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Maybe somebody has some insight into this: why does this succeed in getting people to quit, since that's the obvious gambit? Why do people not just refuse to come back and get fired for insubordination or whatever? Do you not get unemployment benefits for getting fired for that reason (ignoring that unemployment is a pittance compared to their salaries), or are they packaging these people out with attractive severances or something?
Honestly, IDK. My company is moving their office slightly further away from me. This will add much more commute time because of the location though. I'm already looking for a new job but if I don't find one by then I'm certainly not going in. We worked 100% remote for over 3 years. I'll find out what the consequences are.
My situation will be a bit different though since the office location is moving. Seems unreasonable that they'd be able to deny unemployment because of that.
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It's usually just enough severance to make it worth it. It'll be like a month of pay maybe which is worth 6-8 months of unemployment.
And honestly...if they offer a month or two of health insurance on top, you have to take to avoid the cobra fees.
It's usually an easy choice to take severance.
Because people need stable incomes and healthcare, so they start applying for jobs and get them. People aren't quitting to be unemployed.
They need to find their next job first
Always
Fuck Amazon.
I enjoy how Amazon talks a big game about how great they are for the environment and their pledge to stop climate change, then they force workers to commute to the office who have been happily doing their jobs over the internet.
Yah this is literally the most basic shit any company can do to be more "green", cut costs, have access to a larger worker base...
Nope. Because the CEOs are all more concerned with the commercial real estate market than running their company efficiently.
Because the CEOs are all more concerned with the commercial real estate market than running their company efficiently.
It's shocking how many people have honestly bought this. I mean, I'm sure there is some truth to it and maybe somewhere, someone forced people to come back because of some real estate interests... But the CEO of Amazon almost certainly gains to benefit much more from a rise in price of Amazon stock than any real estate they might own. And even if it was the case, I dont think the board would be very happy about it.
It might be the wrong move, and maybe it is being done to get people to quit, but it's being done because they think it means more money from Amazon.
I think they are mostly doing this as a stealth layoff. It's been a pretty popular strategy lately.
The joke is, you get the good people to leave first this way. Be it estate or layoff, it's a bad move either way.
So why do they do it still? Only thing i can think of is the powerplay. CEO types are sometimes as developed as a child, mentally.
Because from you run a mega corp, you don't care about talent. You need complaint slaves!
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Good guy Amazon: Makes employees return in-person to prevent them from using proprietary remote work software.
That's gonna be a no, dawg.
Ok, but I'm still not going back to wearing pants.
Inb4 my company follows suit. Just like they want to with IT, AI, Cloud infrastructure (we own our stack almost entirely).
I really love to work from home. But I also understand IT security is dramatically complicated by user's working on their private network connection or even private client devices. Teamwork also suffers noticably in some professions.
Did chatgpt write this shite lol
Just because you can perform a job from home, doesn't mean it's ideal for performance. With jobs like surgeons or bus drivers it's more obvious, but the cut is not as clear as people like it to be.
I would hope it doesn't take you long to imagine someone who has access to information about you where you would prefer it not be open on their laptop on their kitchen table at home while guests are around.
I'm not trying to defend Amazon. This is an active subject at many companies.
Security starts at the developer, you have to be deluded to think otherwise.
NDA, bulletproof'ed laptops, kernel-level-oversight, VPNs are just mitigations.
Everything is just mitigations. There is no zero risk.
You are making up theoriticla situations to shill your point... Why are you bootlickong this hard?
If job requires in person, market it as such and hire as such. Pretending that 90% of paper pushers need office is disingenous at best
I work in consulting. I don't have to make up anything. Be angry, but some people are trying to play their role in capitalism successfully.
I work in consulting.
Haha lol OK? Literally notorious bootlickers... I hope you are a partner. Because otherwise you are bootlicking for against yourself
Be angry, but some people are trying to play their role in capitalism successfully.
Yes everybody here who doesn't agree with you is a poor entry level employee from a shiti state U.
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I'm not talking about myself in your last quote. I consult clients on their operational and technological challenges. I see a lot. Of course, you might also consult similar amounts of clients and you can see that their largest deficit contributor is that people aren't taking their work home, but that's not what I'm getting from you.
You just seem angry, because you can't stomach that there are valid reasons for you to move out of your comfort zone. Sorry.
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But I also understand IT security is dramatically complicated by user's working on their private network connection.
It really isn’t.
Confident. I like that.
I work in telecomms, major strategic projects. I dont have an office to return to, for 9 years I have had no office. My computer can be wiped remotely amd requires 2fa to connect to the vpn.
We have never had a security incident that wasnt someone's laptop being stolen.
Dont boot lick. This is not rocket science.
Yeah but this guy is a "consultant" he is here to fix your "situation"
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So how did those laptops get stolen? Would that have been possible if their users worked on a local client at the office?
Rocket science is a fucking joke compared to secure IT practices. You saying that, proves that you know neither well enough to participate in this discourse. Most users would operate more securely if their client device was also physically restricted. If you don't understand that, that's the reason you are not making decisions. I'm sorry to be so blunt.
There are highly capable technical people that can securely work from home, but this is not the average user. If you don't recognize that, you are probably just cheering for your own personal comfort right now. I get comfort, but don't be blind to reality
So how did those laptops get stolen? Would that have been possible if their users worked on a local client at the office?
Yes laptops can be stolen from offices. It would be pretty trivial to do so in fact in most cases. In an all on site office it’d be a juicy target too because now all these laptops are in the same place.
Rocket science is a fucking joke compared to secure IT practices. You saying that, proves that you know neither well enough to participate in this discourse.
It is abundantly clear that you have little to no knowledge or experience in modern IT security practices. And before you ask, no, having watched Mr. Robot all the way through does not count.
There are highly capable technical people that can securely work from home, but this is not the average user.
You absolutely do not have to be highly technical to work securely from home. That’s just silly. You only need highly technical people to ensure the people who work from home can do so securely.
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The beatings will continue until moral improves.
God I hate Amazon now. They're basically Wal-Mart these days with half the results being sponsored (advertisements) - and you see that even if you pay for Prime. There are some things you can only get there, but otherwise, since all e-commerce is converging, I don't see the point of enabling their bad behavior. But whichever global corporate enterprise you take your business to, they will likely have a similar mindset.
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