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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/8/18/israeli-police-arrest-and-brand-palestinian-with-star-of-david-report

A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 83 points 1 year ago (19 children)

And the world is supporting Israel because? It's okay because they are Jews and if you say anything contrary you are an anti-semite and or a Nazi?

[–] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 48 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Speaking of Nazi, the nazis did the exact fucking thing to the jews. Boy how the turn tables

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If anyone wrote a fictional story like this, people would call it over the top, silly, far-fetched… reality is fucking dummer than fiction I guess. Not to excuse evil, this is evil, not dumbness.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Quote that stuck from a history class I took years ago:

'A key difference between fiction and history is that fiction generally has to make sense or it doesn't circulate and you aren't exposed to it. With history, whatever happens happens, and whether or not there's any rhyme or reason to it doesn't matter: it becomes history.'

Also reminds me of this post, which kinda puts into perspective just how fucking weird a lot of history was as it was unfolding. Studying it after the fact we can get a sense of "oh that must have been shocking" but we don't really get a sense of the absolute "...........what the actual fuck...?!" going through the heads of the people at that time:

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d5a5669e-462a-49a8-9911-fd6cf172a39e.png

Makes me wonder if the batshit insanity of the circumstances of Trump's presidency will actually be captured by history, or if it will just get boiled down to "...the US then elected a talkshow host famous for his orange face. It went poorly; and the next president was..."

[–] novibe@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I mean yeah that’s true. Reality doesn’t have to make sense. It exists and that’s it.

I would love to see history books 100 years from now, how people would handle all the craziness in the world…

[–] library_napper@monyet.cc 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel is made of Israelis. Israel != Jews.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, my bad to paint all Isrealis to be all of the jewish faith.

[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago

Correct. Also Israel has to exist for the Christian end time prophecy to be true.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the world is supporting Israel because?

Because historically, it was a disaster for Jews to not have their own nation, but be a (n often persecuted) minority in other countries.

Or it still is to this day, but now they have at least one more or less safe retreat on Earth. Yes, many other peoples still don't have that.

It’s okay because

No! Police violence and abuse are NOT okay. Saying this as an atheist, anti-religious, anti-fascist from Germany.

We can and should condemn the atrocious misbehavior of the police, while still supporting the right of the Israeli nation to exist, which is tied to the basic human right of Jewish people to live.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Kind of ignoring the rights of Palestine there eh?

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

We can and should condemn the atrocious misbehavior of the police, while still supporting the right of the Israeli nation to exist, which is tied to the basic human right of Jewish people to live.

Sure we should condemn the misbehavior of the police which is part of the state (executive), right? So we should condemn the misbehavior of the the isreal state, right?

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's just colonialism with a different coat of paint, huh?

[–] stopthatgirl7@kbin.social 33 points 1 year ago (16 children)

They branded his face?! Wtf. ACAB.

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[–] Unaware7013@kbin.social 20 points 1 year ago

Terrorist state doing terrorism

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago
[–] lemmonade@lemm.ee 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

statements of the israeli police about this:

  1. the victim was being arrested for drug crimes when this incident happened (not for a violent crime as far as I know).
  2. according to the israeli police, the cameras on the 16 officers where off because of a "technical error".
  3. the extreme violence applied to the the victim by the 16 armed officers was necessary to restrain him, because he acted violently.
  4. the star-of-david-shaped injury was caused from the shoelaces on an officer's shoe, which means that at some point the officer's foot was either pressed hard against the victim's face, or they kicked the victim's face.

source (in hebrew, includes an image of some of the victims wounds and an image of the shoelaces)

I do find it beliveable that the star of david was unintentional (the actual shape, not the kick to the face), which of course doesn't make this case any more justified, but it wouldn't suprise me that much if it was intentional.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

according to the israeli police, the cameras on the 16 officers where off because of a “technical error”.

what a strange coincidence.

[–] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

I do find it beliveable that the star of david was unintentional

I don't. Kicking or stepping on someone creates clear, directional injuries, not carefully placed marks with no sign of movement to some side or distortion. Especially of that person is resisting.

This injury looks to be inflicted on someone who is completely unable to move and by someone who has time and space to carefully place their branding and apply pressure for a while.

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