A Palestinian man who was detained by Israeli forces in occupied East Jerusalem said he has been physically abused after officers brutally beat him and branded the Star of David on his cheek, according to Israeli media reports.
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Kind of ignoring the rights of Palestine there eh?
In the sense that I talked about Israel and no other particular nation, yes.
Not in the sense which you probably mean though. I even said "many other peoples still don’t have that" (safe retreat), which fits Palestine. Of course Palestinians, being humans, have the same basic human rights which I mentioned.
I'm not an expert in these things. I felt it would be impossible for me to give a nuanced take on all the important sides of the conflict. So I didn't even try, but still responded to the questions which were about Israel, likewise addressing Israel specifically.
I feel your edgy take kind of ignores the essence of my comment. I'd appreciate more balanced responses. Let's not react to unecessary hate and violence with a comment section which does exactly that.
It's not an edgy take. I don't agree with the "they don't have a home so it's ok that we took someone else's and gave it to them" stance you seem to have.
The compensation for persecution shouldn't be allowing the victims to persecute others....which is exactly what's happening with Israel and the Palestinians.
The right for the nation to exist has nothing to do with basic human rights, it's politics and power. You don't need a government to exist.
Now we're talking.
Yes, me neither. Glad we could clear this up. Personally, my favorite way forward after WW2 would have been to give them Bavaria, although this would have entailed other problems. Either way, we cannot reverse history and I think it's important for the Jews to have their own nation. No, that's not a free pass for things like this article.
Obviously agreed. I think I already made that clear. But since we had this misunderstanding, it apparently was not so clear. So thanks for bringing it up, and using a few more words on it.
Forcibly taking land from a group of people who did nothing wrong to give it to another group of people is not OK, full stop.
It's not important for us to have our own nation at all because we are not a political party. Are we not able to live with other people?
Let's be clear about something: the nation of Israel and the Jewish people are two different things. Anyone who claims that their religion needs its own nation is not doing so in service of the religion or it's people, they are fighting for their own political power.
Yes, obviously.
Yes.
I feel that's a bit too simplistic. 'Jewish people' can refer to religion, but also to culture, or descent. Neither of which have to overlap. Most importantly, it does not really matter how the individual identifies themselves to get into trouble for 'being jewish', but what others project onto this for their own political power.
I'd be happy to cease this point and agree there is no necessity if we have, say, 200 years of no persecution. I agree it should be possible to live in multi-cultural peace without distinct nations, but I also recognize it wasn't the case in the past. And I'm afraid it still isn't the case in the present in many places.