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[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

At this point, I think they are actively trying to drive us away.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] mp3@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

It's like the Picard Maneuver, but where you just warp straight in front of your enemy while simultaneously shitting yourself.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

There was a time when they did try to listen. Since 11 was being imagined, it all was downhill. I used to work for them and all messaging changed once 11 was being worked on

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

They will certainly succeed at driving some people away. I was a lifetime Windows user and I currently don't have it installed on any of my machines now. I think the average Joe is blissfully unaware other than the occasional dialog about a new feature coming their way.

I think they are going to lose more of the hardcore tech community with decisions like these, but I don't know that they care.

[–] Glowstick@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In most situations i agree with you, but i think when it comes to the purchase of techie things (like which computers and OS a company should use) then the opinion of techies matters. Their opinion may not matter as much as it should, but in aggregate over time it can cause large changes in purchasing decisions

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I hate being bothered. Linux, while overall almost botherless, still looses to windows.

But damn me, when Win 10 loses support, I am jumping to nobara. Win 11 seems to be win 10 with every addon being something I harbor dislike for.

[–] PhreakyByNature@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago

I do like the convenience of Windows and I'm still on W10, when it loses support I'll be switching to Linux too.

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but the "hardcore tech community" guys are the IT guys of all companies. so this means a lot of the people who are in IT related meetings and have a say in which OSes to install will now be opposed to Win11. A lot will probably suggest waiting to hopefully be able to skip 11, but some will choose alternatives.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

News flash, a lot of the hardcore tech community already used Linux and would’ve pushed for it in related meetings.

Using Windows isn’t a sign of advocacy, it’s a sign of legacy. Companies don’t want to swap and change things.

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[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago

To be honest, they probably are. My pretty theory is that they're trying to do what do many politicians are doing - drive away everyone but the strongest base electorate that will stay with them no matter what they do. And then, the grift starts. I'm reasonably sure sooner rather than later they'll start charging a subscription fee to use Windows, and people and companies will bend over and pay it...

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

What was it, not even two months ago when they said they "listened" to us and that they wouldn't go forward with Recall? And we all said they would still roll it in later when the dust had settled? Yup, we were right.

[–] Tywele@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago

At that point they said that they wouldn't go forward with Recall in the current state. It was never in question that it would come eventually. The question was in what state?

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago

Whoops we turned the heat up too quickly and the frogs noticed. Just turn it back down for a bit then begin heating up again, just a little slower this time.

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

As soon as support for windows 10 is over I'm out. My new laptop had Windows 11 pre-installed so I switched it to Linux a few days ago after I realized Copilot installed itself without asking me. I'm using my laptop as a test run before I get it on my desktop so I can figure out which distro I wanna use when the day comes.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Who else has ever invented such a powerful spyware?

Serious question. Because usually Microsoft are not the first ones with anything, it is very likely that there is a predecessor.

Now I am quite disturbed because I don't know how and where we are being spied on already in such an infamous manner!

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Vietnam? They have their own browser (CocCoc) and IM application (Zalo).

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

There is a Mac app called Rewind that came out a couple of years ago that does the same thing. There was also an open source thing for Windows. Everyone is desperate to show that they are hip and can do AI. It looks like someone at Microsoft saw a demo of one of those apps and thought that putting it into Windows would let them brag about how much AI Windows can do. They clearly tried to rush it out in time for their Copilot PC marketing push.

The idea is that you can use local LLM models and image scanning to talk to your computer. You could ask it to summarize your day, ask what you were working on last week, or find those articles you vaguely remember reading last year and can't find anymore. I can almost see the merit, but the security risk is so high.

I wonder if people will eventually stop caring about the security risk of features like this. Those AI girlfriends some people dream about will have access to so much private information. Give this thing a voice and you can market it as a companion who learns the things you like and can talk with you about the things you are reading. Hackers might be able to see literally everything you've done on the computer for the last few years, but you'll get to feel like Iron Man with your own personal Jarvis.

[–] slampisko@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

I think the average Joe doesn't really understand or care about the security risk of such a feature, because they assume that there are competent people at the company who have considered the security risk and took sufficient steps to address it. It's not by accident that there's a meme about some guy having a smart fridge and watch and everything, and his friend the IT expert, who doesn't have a single piece of smart tech and keeps a gun in the kitchen in case the toaster makes a wrong move...

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure it can, you just uninstall the entire OS and replace it with Linux.

[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Where's the windows uninstaller located?!

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 2 months ago

The windows uninstaller is in the Linux ISO.

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[–] xelar@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Switching to Linux would be difficult, when I'm the only one in team willing to change.

People feel comfy as it is and don't feel a need to change. They say it requires "extra work".

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[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it was listed incorrectly as a feature that could be turned on or off and it was a bug, then the bugfix would seem to be making it listed correctly as a feature that can be turned on or off.

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

It can still be turned on or off, they are just saying it wasn't supposed to be on that particular screen.

My guess is that it was there as a temporary way to turn it on and off during development before they had a page in settings.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago (16 children)

I always wonder where the line is for the majority of people, maybe there isn't one and they know it. You've got to hand it to Microsoft nearly 30 years and they still have the majority.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Doesn't it say more about the users than Microsoft? Seems to me that people who don't care about computers will accept anything coming from big tech...

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago

Right in front of me is a guy editing a >10 page LaTeX file in Overleaf on a 13 inch laptop. The sidebar takes like 1/3rd of the screen. The editor in around 3 inches in width, and he needs to zoom into the PDF preview to read it.

The point in, some people simply don't care about anything.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

This is the thing Lemmy nerds don't understand:

For most people, using a PC is a chore.

To most people, using a PC is like mopping a floor, or cleaning a car. It's a boring - even unpleasant - task that you need to do every once in a while. They'd rather be on their phone or their iPad.

When you already view using your PC as a chore, and some Linux user says to you "hey, if you spend a day backing up all your files, creating an install USB, installing Linux, reinstalling your programs, logging back in to everything, moving your data back across, and relearning how to use a PC, it'll be worth it in the long run!", you will just ignore their advice. It's easier just to say "nah, I only occasionally need my PC when I want to update my CV or write a long email anyway."

They put up with an hour or two of MS's bullshit every few months. They don't like it, but they also don't care enough about putting effort in so that in future, the chore of using a PC only feels half as bad. At the end of the day, either way, it's still a chore.

In the same way that they also don't care enough about ultimately saving 10 mins every month when they clean their car to go out of their way and do the initial work of claybar-ing, polishing, then waxing it.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] __init__@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

You get to drink from the fire hose!!!

[–] Tja@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

There's a lot of talk about switching to Linux (I use Arch, BTW) but for anyone looking for a new computer, macs are going to look real good. Still user friendly, excellent build quality, and Unix core. A Mac mini can be had for about 500 bucks. I've got an M2 MacBook Pro from work and I am super happy with it. Limited gaming tho, but I got a steamdeck for that.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago

Mac is a lot easier to get started with, so absolutely. The downside is that people get pulled into the ecosystem of apple, with specific chargers, keyboards, adapters... Many of my friends use macs and they also start to buy iPhones and other apple gear.

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[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You guys do know you don’t have to use Windows?

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[–] algorithmae@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 2 months ago

You can probably disable it with a custom install, like Cortana

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If I had a dollar for every dork in the comments telling everyone they run Linux...

[–] arandomthought@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Then you'd have 0 dollars because they aren't dorks. They're nerds and we need more of them. ¯_ (ツ)_/¯

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[–] __init__@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

This is where we say switch to Linux, right?

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Yeah but I think most of us have already.... We are not many enough to matter though. Microsoft and Google will continue to do what they want with 99% of users.

[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they keep going at this pace, even the average person will be sick of it. My company was already considering it (after some input from myself and a couple coworkers) after they first announced recall. We sometimes deal with sensitive information that we can't share with anyone outside the company. Periodic screenshots, regardless of what Microsoft says they will do, is a huge security risk.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It still can be disabled in windows enterprise using a intune policy, at least.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 0 points 2 months ago

Yeah this is all my company cared about. They trust that it will be disabled...

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago
[–] sir_pronoun@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Just finally switched my gaming PC to Linux mint. It works flawlessly. I can even re-use the steam game files I downloaded on Windows. Never going back.

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