The Discworld series has nice world building, however the individual books focus on different characters for telling a story and getting to know that world.
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If anyone is interested in Discworld for world building, then I'd recommend skipping the first few books. They were written before Terry Pratchett had a good grasp on the world and the characters. They can be worth coming back to later, but I definitely recommend not starting with them. "Wyrd Sisters" and "Guards! Guards!" are pretty good entry points.
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I'm partial to Ankh-Morpork and the City Watch for some reason ;)
If you like world building then check out Brandon Sanderson and his cosmere related books. They all play out within the same cosmere and all build upon that same world with different stories. I started with Mistborn and think that is still my favourite but it is a hard decision as there is a lot of good books / series.
You could also try Stephen Kings - The Dark Tower and then go down the rabbit hole of a plethora of other books that all happen within the same world and have various different connections to The Dark Tower books and midworld.
N.K Jemison - The Broken Earth trilogy was pretty decent in terms of building the world it was set in and I think is pretty highly regarded for that element.
If you want a bit of space operas then I think Simon R Greens - Deathstalker books are really great and build a whole quirky universe for itself.
Maybe check a few of those out :)
Cosmere feels like it focuses on politics. If I'm right I'd rather not read it. I'm not even interested in real life politics.
I heard a buch of praise for Stephen King and someone else also said the dark tower. I think I'll give it a shot.
Couldn't find a wrong word for The Fifth Season, it got on my list.
I don't think Deathstalker is for me.
Still, thanks! I'm probably set for a long while.
I thought dark tower was okay, but it was a bit too surreal for me towards the end.
Might I recommend the Mortal Engines quartet? They’re kinda YA, especially the first one, but the setting is as far as I know completely unique, and beyond amazing. I really don’t want to spoil the first few moments of realization, so I’m just going to put the first two passages below.
Also, many of the BBEGs are cool af and (spoiler for the later books) as least one matches your request exactly, while others match it pretty well.
Honestly I love the characters, they work so well. Especially Tom, he’s the most normal everyday lead I’ve ever read in a fantasy/sci-fi book, and yet all his actions are totally believable.
My only complaint is that book 2 is kind of frustrating in places.
First two passages:
It was a dark, blustery afternoon in spring, and the city of London was chasing a small mining town across the dried-out bed of the old North Sea.
In happier times, London would never have bothered with such feeble prey. The great Traction City had once spent its days hunting far bigger towns than this, ranging north as far as the edges of the Ice Waste and south to the shores of the Mediterranean. But lately prey of any kind had started to grow scarce, and some of the larger cities had begun to look hungrily at London. For ten years now it had been hiding from them, skulking in a damp mountainous, western district which the Guild of Historians said had once been the island of Britain. For ten years it had eaten nothing but tiny farming towns and static settlements in those wet hills. Now, at last, the Lord Mayor had decided that the time was right to take his city back over the land-bridge into the Great Hunting Ground.
I thirst for befriending "bad" guys, so you sold me. Rest of the text was wasted /j. I won't even read reviews, I trust you stranger.
Please get back to me with your impressions, especially on the “befriending bad guys” side. I’d love to know (even if you end up disliking it)!
Hello, it's me again. With a book club-like update. Just finished the 2nd book, Predator's Gold. However I'll just say it straight on, it was bad. The plot armor driven plot didn't subside. I remember you saying that you liked the 2nd least, so I guess.. same. I honestly don't feel like reading the next two.
I don't think I'll over-analyze this one, but I'll just say that it was so uninteresting and boring that I've put off the last chapters for days, read them one by one. And the big drop at the end, the climax, was, again, complete nonsense. >!Tom survived getting shot point blank in the chest. The stalker 2.0 got autobalanced (tf2 reference) in the middle of killing the MCs. Hester did something so unreasonable that it is in no way justifiable as a tantrum. One of the most feared predator cities just killed themselves. And the drop of Hester being pregnant is irritating, very "book end" of it, but also let's think about it. For the 2nd half of the book they weren't even close to each other, except for when They came back from the "prison" and when Tom was dying. So there are two options: Hester had intercourse with a dying(unconscious) guy (peak fiction?), or they tried for baby when they were speeding back to the city, when it was clearly uncomfortable for the both of them. I won't read back, but IIRC they were both filled with guilt and barely talked. Or did they have fun in the early chapters? In that case, good to know a city can move half a world's length within a couple of months (before pregnancy is noticeable or a hindrance)! !<
I'll think this is the end of my journey with this one, overall it wasn't bad, I'm just disappointed a bit. And definitely not interested enough to continue. However, if you say that the next two books are good (AKA way better), I can imagine myself reading them and writing up the first two as setup.
Hello, thank you for the update!
Oh boy I didn’t even notice the pregnancy plot hole you pointed out. I read the second book once as a kid and never again.
I’m really sorry to have put you through that D=
The third and fourth books are indeed completely different, but I hesitate to suggest reading them because of your experience so far. My personal ranking is 4 > 1 > 3 > 2. I do think they go interesting places as they have more traditional fantasy scope and characters, so the world is fleshed out a lot. But it is still more of the same…
Anyway, thank you so much for the time taken to review them. I liked your analysis. Do you have a favorite book to recommend?
I’m really sorry to have put you through that D=
haha, don't be :D I'm happy that I met this world. It's just not that good.
I don't have a favorite book. I'm very new to reading books. 21st century childhood got to me as well. But I'm enjoying it so far. Might even me a better form of media than series. While I'm also not native, and for whatever reason I don't read in my mother tongue, but english. For that reason I struggle with vocabulary. One good thing I can definitely say about Mortal Engines is that the language is simple, I barely had to look stuff up.
I can tell you manga or smth tho.
I'm not much of a manga reader, but I never say no to recommendations.
I'm amazed you're getting into reading the way you are. Props to you.
Well, I'd give a 99% that you're going to find it cringe, but I made this post about The Skeleton Soldier Failed to Defend the Dungeon. It had that absolutely amazing character 180° plot twist, and even if everything else is very poorly written, that singular character is awesome.
The way I actually got into reading is a bit embarassing, only two of my friends know of it. But the watered down version is that after years of everyone around me watching anime I also caved in, tried it, and I very much enjoyed one. Because it was (and still is) unfinished I decided to read the light novels about it and realised how awesome reading is. My familiy nagged me about reading, and I did some back in the day, can't even remember how old I was (single digit for sure), however school started and I was forced to read some of the worst pieces of word combinations that ever hit my ear, long and boring too. I'm not kidding when I say one of these mandatory reads made me hate women for a while. Thankfully I forgot all of it, like a trauma, all I remember is that it was hell reading that (actually couldn't even read it, I listened to it.) Anyways, even if it's cringy and a bit wierd, I'm still happy about it. I get to enjoy this hidden gem of media, and I'm loving it. So I'm searching for new experiences. This post backlogged me for a year at least.
I'm writing this omw home on a bus, if there are typos; sry :p
Alright I'm reading Skeleton Soldier. I like it. It is a little silly, a little shallow, but it's fun and varied and damn if it doesn't pull off some emotional whiplash. Like when the female knight in the tournament tripped while everybody was booing her? My stomach dropped through the floor.
Yoo, Skeleton Soldier is just time loop LitRPG in manga form. Absolutely cringe and I am absolutely here for it. That used to be one of my favorite genres/tropes to read! Yeah, those types of stories are rarely finished, and usually pretty shallow. Kinda like fast food for reading. I'll give it the manga a shot. Thank you!
I really wonder wth happened with your school lol. I hated mandatory reading too, but it wasn't nearly that bad, just tedious.
Sorry to heap more suggestions on to you, but if you're into stories like skeleton soldier you could take a look at RoyalRoad or similar web novel sites. There's literally tens of thousands of such stories uploaded for free by the authors. The vast majority of them are bad or worse, but with how many there are there's more than enough high quality stuff, some of which is novel or experimental in a way one doesn't find in published work. Just be ready to drop a story if it feels like it's going nowhere or is not fun to read.
You can color me surprised. I'm not really into this sort of progression because it's almost always lazy. But I feel like Skeleton Solder did an above average job. But I do have to admit, that most of the mangas that I like are like this. I have no idea why, I refuse to believe a leveling system is good writing.
I love you're comparison to fast food! Fits so well. As I said, for me reading a "normal" book takes energy and effort, I need to learn new words to even understand the scenery. Don't get me wrong, I do want to extend my vocabulary and I also enjoy it. But it is nice to immerse myself into something for hours easily, and for that I do need myself some fast food from time-to-time. Anyways I just said (in 3 lines) that don't feel bad for recommending (I enjoyed Mortal Engines as well, but not enough to finish it, and the characters actively annoyed me), I'll probably want to search for these sooner or later and now I don't need to find a site.
Reading your other comment: Oh I feel bad for you already. If Christina's fall got you idk how you'll l handle S3's ending. But I won't say a word more. Please update me on how heartbroken you are.. O-or because you knew what was going to happen because almost all of these stories are the same, and you said you've read them a bunch.
Other thing that interests me is, and I know this might be reaching, it's okay if you wouldn't want to answer, is how old are you? You said "used to be" does that mean I've struck some nostalgia in you?
Is there space for one more paragraph? Do you use ebook readers? I mean like a device with an eink screen. I'd like to buy one soon but I have no idea what to look for in them.
I'll make sure to get back to you when I get to S3, then. Gotta admit to being disappointed that Christina just disappeared, but the fact you remember her name suggests she'll be back. Woo! Before that, to the other points:
Leveling systems are generally terrible writing, agreed, but they can serve as excellent antagonists (something you'll see attempted often in RoyalRoad entries). I think they're a trend from Korea that stuck around because they appeal to gamers. I've never really looked into the topic, but the first I remember hearing of was called The Gamer and it released in... 2013. Hoo boy. Yeah, I'm almost 30 lol. It wasn't that long ago, but apparently long enough for nostalgia to set in. At the time it was super popular and spawned literally tens of thousands of spinoffs.
That's not as many as it sounds like, though. Eastern novels/writing seems to be iterative, with stories slightly mutated over and over in vast quantities until something is new enough and good enough to gain popularity and shift the genre again. There's less focus on brevity, novelty is central but narrow, and the novelty is often entirely described within the title. Western web fiction is similar in some ways, but much less homogeneous.
I do have an ebook reader. My main suggestion would be, if you've got one in mind, looking for problems with it online, like " stopped working" or "froze" or "won't turn on." A lot of them break in suspiciously predictable ways and are completely unrepairable. Second suggestion is to get one that isn't bound to a store, which you can freely upload epubs/pdfs to, preferably via USB cable. Everything else is pretty much subject to your use-case. Small size, backlighting, water/rain resistance and low weight are requirements for me personally.
My reader is a tablet style thing which I can use for work. However that leaves it too large to actually read much on while in bed or on the go, and I've ended up mostly using my (very small) phone to read epubs.
Sorry for the wall of text, but hopefully it's useful to you! As to web fiction: I do still suggest searching. There is no one website, it really is best to spread out. I often use TopWebFiction and RoyalRoad, but so many good stories are hidden in some weird forum or blog somewhere that I usually just look at story request threads for new stuff.
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I do agree that it does get weaker towards the end, I think after King got hit by the car in real life the writing for this series went down hill. I enjoy the first 4 books the most, then it is a steady decline however it never reaches bad for me still and I have still read through it multiple times.
I also enjoy the majority of his books though and a lot of the ones that tie into this universe are amazing books in their own right but the fact they build into a bigger world than that which exists within the books themselves appeals to me a lot.
I will also look into your suggestion :p
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No worries, I hope you find something you enjoy.
I would say that I personally can't stand politics in the real world or in stories so I am with you on that and I don't believe any of the cosmere stuff focuses on politics at all. Dune is something politic heavy and whilst I made it through it eventually it took me four or five tries and I probably wouldn't return.
I highly recommend trying out at least the first mistborn book to see if you like it if you get to a point where you are in need of something else to read after you've worked your way through some other suggestions.
Happy reading :)
It's possible I missjudged it. Not like I read the whole thing to say that. I can tell that you enjoyed it, so it can't be bad. I'll look into it, but no promises :p
Haha no that is fair and yes I enjoyed it a lot, I just don't think it is very political so wanted to make that point in the hope you don't miss out on a great world ;p
it's on my radar. I just go so many so good options now, didn't even got around looking into all of them yet. I tought I'd get like 1-2 comments or not even. Thank you.
What about Ursula K Guin?
Looked into it, and The Books of Earthsea is downloading (.epub). Thanks! I'm hyped.
Three Body Problem is great for if you want more world-oriented experiences than character-oriented ones. The character in focus changes often and sometimes harshly, but I feel it's in service of the plot and feels great.
The dark tower series.
I think you may like Expeditionary Force series, there is quite a bit of what you are looking for.
I guess Asimov Foundation series would also be a good candidate for world building.
Watership Down
Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon.
First in a series called the Cemetery of Forgotten Books.
A young boy named Daniel is taken by his bookstore-owning father to the Cemetery of Forgotten Books.
By tradition, first time visitors are allowed to select one book for which they will become a lifetime guardian.
Daniel chooses "Shadow of the Wind" by Julian Carax and quickly becomes enthralled by it. As he tries to find out more about the book and the author, he finds that someone is systematically collecting all of Carax's works and burning them.
I'll leave the thrillers for my dad. Still, I feel the love in this reply, so I'm sorry. I don't think I'll be reading this.
Not really a thriller, more of a mystery + a love story. It's a fantastic read. Especially considering it was translated from Spanish.
The "Death Gate Cycle" by Weiss and Hickman has all that. Great worldbuilding, bad guys that become friends, etc.
I'm sold. I love myself some high fantasy, and you don't have to tell me twice about the last part. I won't miss a chance to experience that again. Thanks!
Empire of man series. Main character starts as a twat almost nobody really likes, then he gets better.
It’s military science fiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_of_Man
At bottom of wiki article is link to read first book for free
Read the Wheel of Time, talk to you in 3 years
I think I heard the name once, but I don't know anything about it. Why? what
Not the same guy, but I started reading it a few weeks ago and just finished the fourth book last night. It does a pretty good job at both world building and character development in my opinion (though it really shines across books). In my opinion, the first book does a good job of introducing new elements of the setting at a good pace, and uses it's characters who know little of the world to impart how special/rare some of the things are.
Still donno why be said see you in 3 years. Is it that long?
Oh, yeah, they have a reputation for being long. There are 14 books total I believe, and each is pretty long.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time
That said, I was able to read the first the books with an average speed of a book a week (though I spent a lot of the weekends to do so), so I wouldn't say they're crazy huge books.
It's a 14 book series. It's generally acclaimed for its world building and depth, but understood to be a bit of a slog in the middle. The original author, Robert Jordan, died while writing the 12th book, and Brandon Sanderson was chosen by Jordan's widow to finish the story using notes left by Jordan for his successor. I never finished it myself but I understand these final works were very well received, and Sanderson is a great author himself.
Dungeon Crawler Carl and The Bobiverse are both amazing series that are worth a glance at.
These are probably not what I'm looking for. But now I know where that one wierd first person rogue like came from. Thanks!
The Silmarilion
Literally world building
You can try the "Malazan book of the fallen" series. It's very fast paced which I like but probably isn't everyone's cup of tea.
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