Why not? With the structure of the Fediverse, it's impossible for anyone to lock their users to their particular instance, and if their users prove to be problematic, they'll just get defederated.
this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2023
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That would be a good thing. More instances are good. More users are good.
If meta federates with Lemmy and mastodon, we could interact with our grandparents again.
Treat federation like email. Gmail didn't ruin email.
Honestly is not a big deal. Some specific instance might start behaving like aholes because of corporate greed or anything else.
All they can do is take their specific communities down. The affected communities can always move to other instance (that is easier than changing to a different system all together).
Changing platforms will always be harder than just switch instance because you instance changed the rules on you.
The word “millions of eyes” tends to start attracting corporate overlords. When we hit a million users I think things might start changing.
Most certainly if this grows big enough corporations will join in if only to market whatever products to the userbase.
What you can do is to work on supporting/curating instances which don‘t want this. Try to see what kind of people are in charge and what their reaction would be. For example I‘m also on an instance (http://lemmy.dbzer0.com/) created by a r/piracy mod who I‘m fairly certain wouldn‘t federate with corporations or let his instance be controlled by them.
Lemmy.ml which I‘m also on, probably not positive with US companies, but might federate with Chinese companies.
What makes all this not a big concern for me is how easy it is for me to drop an instance and go to another one, but I‘m also not attached to my users in general, hopefully we can get some export/import functions for cases where we need to abandon somewhere (unless it exists and I haven‘t seen it yet?).
Meta is making a Mastodon-compatible Twitter-replacement app. The Beta is already done with sone populair influences and it's supposed to go live sometimes soon afaik.
Otherwise, Mozilla has a Mastodon instance. Depending on how commercial/big you need to be to count as a "corperate instance" to you, there are a few more.
So when I read that, I thought you meant instances owned by corporations. I think it'd be pretty nice to go to lemmy.microsoft.com and they'd have groups for all the Microsoft products where users could get support, learn about updates, etc. And you'd know it was an official community because it was hosted by Microsoft. But you could federate, and wouldn't have to make a forum account for every single company you wanted to interact with. I'm imagining lemmy.apple.com, lemmy.microsoft.com, lemmy.sonos.com, lemmy.linksys.com, whatever. I'd like that.
I'm basically all for it. The Fediverse is supposed to be an inclusive place, for everyone. Then we all get to decide if we don't want to hear from someone and can block them from our instance, or even block an entire instance. It wouldn't be terribly inclusive though if we started dictating who could and could not be part of the Fediverse.
I’m all for corporate instances as long as we get a bunch of them - the one thing we really do need to avoid is a situation where one company dominates the “open” Fediverse to the extent that they can turn around and murder it, like Google did with Usenet.
I'm not familiar with the Google Usenet story. What happened?
Basically Usenet was already waning, and google bought dejanews and turned it into google groups, which was a potential lifeline, then they stripped Usenet functionality out of the product over time.
What's the skinny on that situation?
Tumblr has already said they are doing something with the fediverse but I'm not sure if that panned out or not as I have not kept up with the news on that.
But really, why would that be a bad thing for the users on the smaller instances? If you use Lemmy or kbin or mastodon or whatever for an instance you trust you could interact with users on corporate instances without having to sell your soul to Zuck. I personally don't see it a a bad thing.
The ads! Just wait for the ads!
How would they put ads on our instances ? From what I understand, the only way would be by creating true posts as regular users, in which case most instances would just defederate with them (not sure it is the correct way to say this)
If I can still access all of that content from kbin or lemmy, what's the problem? I get their content, but they can't serve me ads, change kbin's feed algorithm, or have control over anything outside their one instance.
I mean, they could probably still serve ads disguised as content - just send it along with the "genuine" posts without differentiating. That said, at least I can block their content from showing in my feed if I want to.
I'm all for it.
Yep. Just look at me over there in Reddit the last few days. Almost looks like I make money off of Lemmy.
I'm not sure, but I wouldn't mind Mozilla in the fediverse. I thought I heard something about that being a possibility. At some point if things scale there will start to be a cost that has to be handled beyond donations, so what in hoping is there are maybe some trusted institutions that help out rather than Meta/Amazon/etc pushing into the space
@Sigmatank @RomanRoy that's already happening: https://mozilla.social
Fantastic. I wonder if they'll get a Lemmy instance going
@Sigmatank Right now, I actually prefer kbin to lemmy personally, although I don't have an account on either yet :)
Wow, what are your feelings currently on interacting with the threadiverse from outside? I considered using my Mastodon, but the interface is so poorly optimized for this sort of content that I gave up and registered a separate account.
Not OP, but I liked kbin as well. I'm on Lemmy so far, but Kbin's web UI is a bit more appeasing to me.
Lemmy is faster and has an app tho.
Mastodon is meant for people who love Twitter. If you like the forum format, just stick here. You can still interact with Mastodon.
We do it’s called ‘beehaw’
How is beehaw corporate?
Please, let's not popularize the "/s" here
I am new here and out of the loop. Can you explain?
Beehaw defederated from some of the larger Lemmy instances due to problem users and limited moderation abilities (Lemmy as a platform, limited staff). As one of the larger Lemmy instances themselves and where many Reddit folks went, this rubbed some people the wrong way. Beehaw has a specific idea about the community they want and are proactive in protecting that vision, I don’t know how this makes them “corporate” but there you go.
Thank you :)
I was actually just thinking this when thinking about switching to @pixelfed i was thinking what if Instagram just converted to federated instance. How that would look