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“(With) today’s Supreme Court decision on presidential immunity, that fundamentally changed. For all practical purposes, there are virtually no limits on what the president can do. It’s a fundamentally new principle and it’s a dangerous precedent because the power of the office will no longer be constrained by the law even including the supreme court of the United States.”

Throughout his address, Biden underscored the gravity of the moment, emphasizing that the only barrier to the president’s authority now lies in the personal restraint of the officeholder. He warned vehemently against the prospect of Trump returning to power, painting a stark picture of the dangers such an outcome could pose.

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

He’s so pissed about it he’s gonna do absolutely nothing!

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Then fucking do something about it Joe! The DNC has been little more than passive observers to the raise of fascism.

[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"The DNC" doesn't do what you think it does.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't do what it should.

The point of the party is supposed to be long-term strategy and putting the platform over any one person.

When people talk about what the DNC should be doing, it's not some "gotchya" to point out that they're not doing their job and leadership needs replaced.

It's just proving their point

[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So because the National Committee's short and long term strategy is not what you'd be doing, you think they're not doing anything.

Do you do any local political organizing?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

you think they’re not doing anything.

What's their long term plan?

As far as I can tell, it's only prevent progressives from taking control of the party.

[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

For now, they're planning on getting out voters for the general election, and recruiting volunteers along the way.

Most planning falls to state and local parties - which you can easily get involved in.

Why haven't you?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

So basically the only thing they care about is winning, not actually representing peoples values?

Theyre more than just an election committee, thats what the DCCC is for.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

For now,

Bruh...

Do you know what "long term planning" means?

If you don't think they have one, say it.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Since we're talking about a SCOTUS ruling, it would be on Congress to pass legislation.

And to follow up on @teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world's comment, the Democratic National Committee is a private party organization that supports Democratic candidates in elections. They have nothing to do with passing legislation.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Still. The DNC has systems in place to decide who to back in elections to pass legislation. Their messaging since 2015 has been embarrassing. They keep courting moderate conservatives that don't exist and ignoring unrepresented potential voters who do. They talk about how they win elections when there's good turn out without ever analyzing which candidates encourage high turnout. Americans want to feel represented in politics and we don't. The Democrats need to do something that would weaken the democrat party but would weaken the Republican party more: they need to actively begin dismantling the two party system. We want election reform. We want the police to not be a hostile force against the general populace. We want the society we live in to benefit everyone and not just the kinds of people who can afford to finance an election campaign.

The polling exists. We all know that neither party represents or enacts what the people want do. The Democrats refuse to look around and see what's happening, preferring to rearrange the deck chairs as the ship sinks because that's the only thing they know to do. And you know? I can't really blame them. We the people have also been rearranging the deck chairs. We live in a country that only benefits the top but we all still show up to do our duties without looking at what's going on in other countries where the people are standing up to their authoritarian oppressors.

The worst part is the fascists know what they're doing. They know to decay the structure by raising the temperature because we've become too complacent. We need to stand up to fascism in a way that we haven't ever since McArthyism.

[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The DNC has systems in place to decide who to back in elections to pass legislation.

No it does not.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Ugh. Stop. Talking. You Fucking. Knob.

Jesus Christ, someone might believe you so talk less. Please.

Please.

EDIT: PLEASE

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[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Then what the fuck is a primary and how do they decide to back in a primary and what the fuck is a super delegate?

[–] teodor_from_achewood@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Bernie lost because he didn't get enough votes.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 3 months ago

Sure. And I voted for warren. My point isn't "The DNC needs to get their heads out of their asses and make Bernie their nominee" my point is "The DNC needs to get their heads our of their asses and realize their current overall strategy is a losing one"

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Ya but was there a thumb on the scale to push people one way?

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

It's on Biden to personally demonstrate to SCOTUS just how dangerous the ruling was.

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[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Trump's election had an enormous impact that seems to have survived his Presidency, and will continue to do so for decades to come.

[–] Hawanja@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (8 children)

I like how every single one of these comments are blaming Biden and the Democrats for a supreme court ruling that the conservatives and Republicans enacted. How about we put the blame on the people who are actually doing the terrible things?

This is why the Republicans keep winning btw, because they're united.

[–] swunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago

Why doesn't Biden just illegally overturn this ruling? He has immunity

[–] Kroxx@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Watched the debate, this is a verbatim quote I pulled from the transcript, Biden: "And if I’m elected, I’m going to restore Roe v. Wade." Why does he have to wait for re-election?

I expect Reps. to strip rights and will always blame them for that. The flip side of that is I expect Dems. to restore them, which isn't happening and so they should be criticized. It's just always "we'll fix it in the future" which is why I put the biden quote in.

[–] PaintedSnail@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

Because the Republicans control Congress, and at this point only an act of Congress can restore it.

It comes down to this: a Republican president would veto any abortion protection law, but a Democratic president would pass it. But the law has to get to his desk first.

[–] seanziepples@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Only congress can do something and they tried and failed because we didn't have enough of a majority. Vote down-ticket blue to get as much control as possible.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/senate-republicans-block-bill-codify-roe-wade-abortion/story?id=84627147

[–] jimmie_cricket007@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The party that wants to strip rights are the democrats. They would love nothing more than to disarm every single American. The only "right" they would make sure women had was the "right" to kill babies.

Biden is such a hypocrite. He is claiming Trump would abuse immunity, yet he states he would directly violate the Supreme Court by restoring roe v. wade.

Also, presidents have always had immunity while in office, the Supreme's just upheld that fact. And immunity hasn't change by this ruling. A president can't commit murder and claim immunity.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago
[–] ZK686@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

WTF are you smoking? This ENTIRE website blasts Trump and Republicans for EVERYTHING!! Welcome to Reddit 2.0.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] urfavlaura@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

okay assasinate Trump, you're legally allowed to do that now

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

That would be confusing for the secret service.

[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is to stop Biden from cancelling the upcoming election?

Being now his powers are effectively unchecked, couldn't he just call off the election as an official act. Rather than stupid shit like ordering assassination or deploying the military, just say "I'm cancelling the election until such time this ruling is overturned and a constitutional amendment is enacted that states that the president is not immune from criminal prosecution"

[–] helenslunch@feddit.nl 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What is to stop Biden from cancelling the upcoming election?

Uhhhh he literally can't. Not because it's a crime, but because it's not within his authority. This doesn't just give them carte blanche to do whatever they want, it just means they can't be charged with a crime.

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's the commander in chief of the US military. If there aren't repercussions for exceeding his authority, it's essentially unlimited.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If there aren't repercussions for exceeding his authority,

There still are repercussions, all that has changed is that personal criminal prosecution is no longer among those.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We need someone that will use every tool at their disposal to stop trump.

Biden has shown time and time again, that's he's just not willing to do that.

Stopping trump is more important than Biden, if he won't fight, and he won't get out of the way, and the party won't force him to...

It's time to ask why we still support the party. The voters are the irreplaceable part, not the party.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The problem with that, is now "every tool at their disposal to stop trump" is an object lesson in exactly what Biden is talking about.

'Every tool' means Every tool

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Biden could have expanded the courts 4 years ago, but he didnt.

This could have never happened.

Roe vs Wade could still be standing.

So much shit could be better, but Biden didn't want to fight.

[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee -1 points 3 months ago

Maybe he should wield his newfound power instead

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