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I've got two F710s and they're reliable enough. I wouldn't trust them in pro gaming though.
If I got in the sub and saw one of these used to steer it, I'd be very concerned. I know they're not really blaming Logitech; just taking one of these out of the plastic packaging and saying 'OK, now we've got steering and propulsion!' is not really a safety culture to get behind.
What a stupid waste of time and resources.
I think Logitech should take responsibility and give them a $30 voucher
“best we can offer is a replacement. but you will need to return the original”
I laughed way too hard at that. Bravo.
Question. Who are they actually suing? Didn't the bozo die along with everyone else? So who would hold responsibility?
The company itself (oceangate) still exists. The estate of Stockton Rush is also named in the suit.
Estate, insurance companies
It appears they are suing OceanGate, the company that made the submarine. The use of cheap, consumer grade hardware for critical functions (literally controlling the sub) is one of their criticisms.
I don't see why the controller is a problem.
If you go out and custom-make a controller, it's not likely going to be more reliable than anything that Logitech makes.
Logitech... the company whose 150 dollar mouse have double click issues months into the purchase?
https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/19/16333376/us-navy-military-xbox-360-controller
US Army used to spend $38,000 per controller until they found out Xbox controllers were better
iirc they mentioned the f710 constantly disconnected.
Sounds about right from my experience with the F710.
Yeah, but if you're going to use a wireless controller, don't fucking skimp and get some cheapo device, at least buy a goddamned 1st party controller. Not that MS/Sony don't have lemons too, but Logitech controllers are like a half step from the crappy MadKatz controllers from my childhood.
This had to be a project costing somewhere in the hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars, and they're trying to save $30 on an aftermarket controller?!? That's the literal embodiment of Penny Wise, pound foolish.
That's only assuming the sub was running windows, where Xbox controllers work out of the box. On Linux there are no first party drivers, and Bluetooth support on the 1/S controllers simply didn't exist at the time this happened. If it was an embedded system there would be no support whatsoever.
Huh what? Dual Shock 4 controllers are supported OOTB. With additional support via Userland software. In fact Sony published drivers for DS5. XBox original controllers just work. Therws plenty of first party support.
This feels like when Paul Walker's sister tried to sue Porsche for his death
The complaint does not allege that the Logitech wireless controller, the carbon fiber construction, Titan's innovative porthole, or the use of disparate materials with differing expansion/compression coefficients—four main areas of criticism—were individually responsible for the sub's implosion. But it does suggest that these systems could have together contributed to a "daisy chain of failures of multiple improperly designed or constructed parts or systems."
Titan was an implosion, so the pressure hull failed at some point, we just don't know what. While the Logitech controller is indicative of the decision making process, it's one component we can comprehensively rule out as causing the failure.
This is such a frivolous lawsuit. Logitech is going to crush them if they even have to go to trial.
The article doesn't say they're suing Logitech.
It's using the fact that it was a wireless controller used over Bluetooth as part of the evidence that they created a bunch of unnecessary points of failure.
It's probably in the user guide or manual: "can only be used with video games". It it's used for anything else it's not Logitech's problem.
It's the submarine company/estate of the owner that are being sued for wrongful death
This is such a frivolous lawsuit. Logitech is going to ~~crush~~ implode them if they even have to go to trial.
There. Fixed it for you.
"Yes, we built the sub wrong, but it's still your fault for not anticipating someone to try to use these in a poorly built submarine."
🤦♂️
If anything that controller was the most solidly built thing on that entire sub.
I wouldn't use a wireless controller playing subnautica. This is on the company for using sub par tech. Next time use first party wired!
sub par tech
Nice pun
Since the story came out people fixated on "lol he used a shitty gaming controller" but really that is one of the least sketchy design choices in the entire rig. Why reinvent the wheel and make a custom set of controls that are realistically another huge expense and potential failure point, when off the shelf solutions exist for that component?
The corners that were cut are the ones involving the viewport/nose adhesion to the ships frame, and the structural integrity of the carbon fiber hull itself. They had test data suggesting it was a bad idea to engage in repeated dives with their design, and an even worse idea to operate at the depths they chose. They decided to ignore that.
That doesn't explain why they used the wireless version of that Logitech instead of wired to control the thing they were literally inside.
To be fair, they're under water and sharks have been known to chew through electrical cables
They couldn't have splurged for an Xbox controller at least?
