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[–] nl4real@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

It's finally over. Now get in someone who can beat Trump.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

This is so incredibly reckless and foolish. Democrats just handed victory to Trump because they seem incapable of party unity. There is no better candidate waiting in the wings and Biden was polling very competitively against Trump.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Bernie 2024, even if he dies of a heart attack first day his appointments would change the country for good and I don’t trust any party politicians on Palestine.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm hoping for a Kamala/AOC ticket.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Seeing AOC oddly shill for Biden before he dropped out.. which I'd expect from Pelosi, Schumer & Schiff, but not from her. She may actually be trying to get the VP spot.

[–] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe she had better political acumen and knew he'd do better.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Maybe she saw an opportunity

[–] the_tab_key@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Which is hilarious because Pelosi, Schumer, and Schiff were all against Biden continuing in the race...

AOC understands politics and thinks things through, that's it.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

AOC has always been considered an outsider to Democrat leadership. She prob was thinking things through, but I don't think it is because she thought Biden was going to win.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Politics is about getting the things you want, not dunking on people that disagree with you on a couple of things. You gotta compromise with people to get what you want. People feel like being uncompromising is somehow admirable, but in politics it means you get nothing. MAGAs are uncompromising, and they get a lot of likes on social media for it, but they've accomplish exactly nothing after winning the House in 2022.

Biden has been good for the progressive wing of the party, and they may not get as good of a deal with Harris as they did with Biden. They will have to negotiate compromises with someone new and may not get as much.

So do you rather politicians compromising and getting something to benefit you, or grandstanding and accomplishing nothing except providing a small amount of entertainment for you?

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Biden has seriously hurt the party. If they enthrone Kamala without doing some balanced process to have her debate or compete against anyone else, and she somehow beats Trump then... I fully expect Republicans to take the House & Senate because of the damage Biden did to the party.

Politics is about compromise. I fully agree with you on that. To get things passed, you actually have to call up Republicans and ask them if they'll try to work with you and what their vision is, and what they'd like to do... and try to come to an agreement.

AOC has likely done the same here. She saw an opportunity to get something or to help progressives in some way, which required taking a backseat for a little while, but ultimately she'll get something in return. I get it and understand that. It was just surprising.

The DNC & Clinton seriously damaged the Democrat party in 2016, and Biden has restored some consistency, but it shifted significantly the right after that. Lest not forget Biden gleefully supporting a genocidal maniac and sending weapons to kill thousands of children. Its pretty sad when Democrats argue that more children would have died under Trump, so that somehow makes it okay.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

She just did the calculus that Biden was our best shot, due to a whole shitton of different factors from Biden's support among elderly voters, union support, money raised, polls being pretty crap for a few cycles now, shit like that.

Now there will be logistical challenges, we have a lot of uncertainty ahead. She wanted to avoid that until we got some better answers.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden bros: No one has a plan if Biden drops out. Everyone else: Here is our plan. Biden bros still: No one has a plan if Biden drops out.

Plan was open convention where delegates decide.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's an excellent example of uncertainty.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

What is better... knowing Biden would lose to Trump, or being uncertain who the delegates will choose before the convention?

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Or you could read her arguments, which were direct and pragmatic. She was talking about how difficult this would be logistically, and that it would have been better to do 6 months ago, you know, when the progressive wing of the party raised the issue.

AOC was "shilling" for some consistency, backbone and party unity out of a pragmatic need to beat back fascism. Now that this choice has been made, I'm betting she will continue with the same intent.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Biden was going to lose and he was making other Democrats lose. What did you expect the party to do, unite behind losing to Trump?

AOC was prob smart, saw Biden didn't believe he was going to lose and saw an opportunity before it played out.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What happens now? Does the DNC pick a replacement or will they be holding a snap primary?

[–] morphballganon@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If the DNC of the past is any indication, they'll ignore voters and put up the most boring, uncompelling candidate they can.

[–] solrize@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Alternatively: they put up the most divisive and cringeworthy candidate they can.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

I wanted AOC but her last few posts have been cringe. She's divisive, but that could have worked in her favor. Prob. will be Kamala. I think they should have an open convention & let delegates decide though.

[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A new canidate will be picked during the DNC on 19-22 august.

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

Serious? I haven't even had time to see that. That is the best decision they could have made.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Any moment now, the 'don't vote for Biden' group will be in here telling us not to vote for Harris. And if it isn't Harris, they'll tell us not to vote for whoever it is.

Anything but stop the dictator and his plan to commit genocide against Latinos and queer people.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Even if Trump wasn't going to do awful things, I can't stand his stupid face or his stupid voice or his stupid stupidity. That's enough to vote for someone who'll beat him.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No. It absolutely isn't. I was too young to vote in the 2000 election, but Gore had the same stupid face, long drawn out speech paterns, and general unlikability.

However, his policies, and his message were good. I would have voted for him despite his stupid face, because of him being the better candidate.

I FULLY understand people hating trump......but I underatand the hate because trump is a piece of shit. I get why trump is hated for his bad policies. I get why people hate having a criminal in the white house.

But to say that if a candidate were good for the position, but you hate their face and voice, I wouldn't understand that.

[–] aStonedSanta@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him. Just like Bernie won the DNC nomination and it was stolen from him. Fuck the DNC. But fuck the RNC harder.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Yeah but Gore did win that election. It was stolen from him.

It was stolen from us.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

This is the kind of comment that makes me angry, while I agree with all of it. It's a weird feeling to be yelling "YEAH I AGREE WITH THAT!!! RAAAAHHH!!!!!"

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Nah, Gore is not nearly as stupid as Trump, either in face, voice, or thought.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I didn't want to believe it but they're already in the comments. We need to be vocal. Kamala is a great candidate.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If she she's was a great candidate she would have been the candidate 4 years ago.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

She was on the ticket 4 years ago. She is VP. Now she's on top. Kamala 2024!

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I'm concerned you couldn't grasp that by candidate we were talking about the Presidential candidate.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

She's an adequate candidate for the task at hand, which is beating Trump. Biden no longer is.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's far from a assured. She has a ton of issues on her own.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

She's an improvement over Biden. And just look at all the time, money, and effort Republicans wasted against someone who's no longer even running. They're flailing and trying to find something that will stick.

[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If you’d applied this logic to trump would have even posted this?

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Wha... what? What does that even mean?

[–] rebelsimile@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The republicans are running last election’s loser.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Biden wasn't viable because he has cognitive decline. Kamala will mop the floor with Trump in debates.

[–] DarkGamer@fedia.io 1 points 6 months ago

Both candidates are experiencing decline, and if Biden were elected and incapable of doing the job it would have resulted in a Harris Presidency anyway. It's such an odd thing to object over. We've had presidents in decline before and the country kept running just fine, (FDR, Reagan.)

Biden did a fine job in office, I'm especially proud of his union support, and his policies were spot on in my opinion. To throw him under the bus like this seems really shitty.