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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by JonsJava@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
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WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Do not advocate or celebrate violence, please. Comments advocating violence will be deleted and bans will be issued.

Also, please avoid promoting conspiracies. Discussing current events is fine but suggesting things like “it’s a false flag” without evidence is spreading a conspiracy.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

A reminder, he incited people Jan 6th which resulted in deaths.

[–] Enfors@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

spreading a conspiracy

I know this is off-topic, but can we please go back to saying "conspiracy theory"? Conspiracy and conspiracy theories are not the same. There are actual conspiracies (a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful) , and there are theories of conspiracies. They should not be confused.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"no actual discussion allowed" got it

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

If the only way you can discuss an assassination is by advocating for additional violence and pushing lies, then I guess not?

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

pushing lies

How did you determine what was true in this situation and what was false? I am curious about your methodology.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

True: confirmed information. False: unconfirmed information of a speculative nature. Do you see a specific issue you disagree with or are you just trying to argue?

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You are limiting discussion to centrist viewpoints, centrism caters towards permissive attitudes towards fascism. You know this.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"hey guys don't politicize an attempted political assassination"

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really what I said at all. “Hey guys, don’t make stuff up, please rely on credible sources, and don’t advocate for violence”.

Or, in other words: follow the rules we’ve always had in place

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Advocating for, or not advocating for, violence is a political stance. Many people defend Israel's ongoing genocide and are not blocked from doing so. That doesn't feel like the rules being consistently enforced. The people speculating on whether or not this is staged have access to the same information as everyone else, and in the spirit of true discourse, if it was seen to be false you could figure that out by discussion rather than censorship.

[–] Blackbeard@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

If you have evidence that it was staged, feel free to share it. If you don't, then we ask that you not speculate. It's no different than any other claim for which we'd require a basic amount of credible substantiation.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I know you have to say this, but holy shit do I disagree.

This person advocated significant violence and contributed to the deaths and loss of human rights of thousands. A good whack of the world would turn up hungover to work tomorrow after celebrating only a few inches over.

[–] whoreticulture@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

They don't have to say that.

[–] Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 2 months ago

No better fuel for an extremist ideology then having a martyr. Trump isn't the problem, it's the millions who listen to him.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

How do the people get justice for a convicted criminal that's above the law? Is there a reason why the constitution has an amendment for guns? Why are so many platforms against the constitution and against the need for correct course when apt?

Stop acting like corpo reddit admins and mods.

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Convicted criminal" who is "above the law?"

Seems like he was convicted, thus not above the law.

You keep him from being president by getting enough people to vote against him, or you accept the will of the people.

The 2nd Amendment was originally to make sure militias weren't disarmed, in a time when militias were more relevant. Has nothing to do with political assassination.

[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Do you think a convicted criminal should be walking around free?

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why not? Isnt that what americans claim the second amendment is for?Prevent fascism?

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Sic semper tyrannis.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lemmy users when they can’t advocate violence:

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Advocating for violence to prevent a fascist from abolishing the democracy is the only acceptable violence. Sometimes a democracy has to be protected violently if it is too weak to protect itself. Trump allies always say its why they have the second amendment. Now that it is used against them they cry about it.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Everybody thinks their form of violence is the only acceptable violence.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

The paradox of tolerance is only a paradox if you don't believe in the social contract.

Beliefs that violate the social contract deserve no protection under it.

[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Violence is rarely good for anything as we have seen it just now. It would be better even if this guy shot at Biden that’s how counterproductive it is.

Modern problems aren’t solved with blood but with marketing. You cannot kill an idea but you can ridicule it

You cannot just eradicate everyone who opposes you. China tried, Soviets too. Now they have something vastly better - troll farms.

[–] Soltros@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

What peeves me is that the right are all clutching their pearls about anyone who says anything other than blind Trump sympathy. Don't get me wrong, political violence is wrong. But, remember this:

When Paul Pelosi got his face bashed in with a hammer, the right made fun of it. Mocked him. Idk, man.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This is what is so frustrating.

Conservatives call for violence; Call for rising up; Literally calling themselves DOMESTIC TERRORISTS: Absolutely a nothing burger. Just a bunch of locker room talk. Relax that's normal conservative speech.

Liberals blinking aggressively: WHY ARENT YOU MORE TOLERANT BE BETTER.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

That shit was amazingly disgusting. And yeah, Trump gets no sympathy from me. But I won't call for his death, either. I want him to live a very long time. In prison.

[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

If you're planning to take out an aspiring despot, you better be damn sure of your shot

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago

I like Presidents who DON'T Fail their Assassinations!