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The "collapse" is a cope. A non denominational version of the rapture. It being "all over" is something people dream of because oblivion also means an end to pain.
Society won't "collapse".
Life will just get shittier and shittier in such a slow, gradual manner that most people won't even realise it is happening. More work for less pay, less rights and freedoms, more repression, more wars, etc.
I think this is the more accurate take. I think the world at large is more likely headed toward a world in chains or world war 3 disaster scenario more so than anything.
Yes, exactly. I lived in a collapsing society as a child and mostly life goes on, it just gets harder and there are less luxuries.
Eventually that will lead to a shift. Perhaps not an outright collapse, but perhaps balkanization, restructuring, or collapse.
We have exactly 9 years, 3 months, 1 week, 2 days, and a couple hours
Chores can wait till tomorrow then
so is it Monday, 17 October 2033?
just to make sure I'll mark my calendar. I'll probably lose my phone's calendar by that point tho.
Given enough time, everything changes. Society as it is now will go away eventually, but it's hard to say that society will 'collapse'. Things can get better or worse, and in either case there will be people who think it they've gotten better, and people who think they've gotten worse.
It's hard to stay optimistic with how perception is shaped nowadays. Let me try to slightly change that perspective. I don't have a link to the study, but a majority of interviewed Americans thought that crime was on the rise, and worse than ever, when in fact it has been decreasing steadily since the early 90s. Public perception was shaped by the broad popularity of televised police, detective, true crime documentaries, and fictional media. A good thing was happening, but that's not what people thought.
Climate change and pollution are bad, but renewables are on the rise on average, and being pushed hard by the public in general.
Increasingly divided and radical governments are bad, but people are getting sick of it, and governments will have to adapt or be replaced.
Economic woes are definitely a problem, but we're slowly making baby steps, doing things like banning airbnb here and there, etc. Economic woes have come and gone.
Misinformation and disinformation is everywhere, but we're more aware of it than ever. We're suspicious of intent, of sources, etc. Not all of us trust the right sources, but we're starting to implement fact checking, we're making platforms that show news on the political spectrum, we have ways to find blind spots, etc.
Dangerous health crises aren't the end of the world. The black plague and the 'spanish' flu killed a lot of people, and neither lead to the breakdown of society. We'll figure it out, we're tough SOBs.
Look, I'm not saying these things aren't happening, I'm just saying that for every bad thing that floods the airways and the internet, there is some degree of reaction. We're not laying down and taking it. And while it's certainly depressing and disheartening to see so many bad things happening, they can help to galvanize people against it, and not fall into complacency.
It's easy to be overwhelmed too, which is why it's not a bad idea to take the time to limit and filter exposure to this stuff. You know about it, you've looked into it, you've made a (hopefully educated) decision, you know what you're going to do. It's not healthy for you to come back and keep looking at the problem over and over again.
There's also the issue of being exposed to serious problems that you can't affect in a meaningful way. I'm not American, what the hell am I supposed to do about their presidential election? No reason for me to look at it all the time. When the time comes, I'll vote for someone on my end who says they're going to handle the situation in the way that I think is best.
Take a step back, consider your situation. Which things affect you? Which things affect the people in your life? Which things can you affect? What can you do, that matters? Focus your energy on that. You don't have to make a big change, you can start by clearing your head.
Nothing's going to collapse. Prior generations had their own share of problems and so do we and we will find some way to get through it all just like they did.
Which "society?" America, for instance, seems to be on a downward trend as countries in the Global South start pushing against its exploitation, and thus the domestic proletariat is increasingly exploited and pushed further into radicalization. It won't be a quick process until it is.
It's not going to collapse over night. Instead, things are going to get worse and worse gradually, with each step backward becoming the new normal.
Like the proverbial frog in boiling water, we'll all just carry on until one day we're like just chilling in our debris city, hoping we don't have to sell any teeth for bottle caps in order to buy food today when some ghoul comes storming in and shoots up the place trying to murder a harmless old man with a dog, and then some naive vault dweller tries to intervene, but she only makes the problem worse and we'll all wonder how the hell we got here.
I'd thought it'd be a while, but the timeline keeps constricting. I don't have a number for you, but it seems sooner than it did four years ago.
Exactly four years sooner, according to my math.
This was a pretty great response. You got me. Cheers!
While most here are probably not wrong about changes that could well happen and our societies adapting to them, I can't help but worry about food shortages.
We aren't very far away from the point where insect populations start to collapse. If we can't reverse that or even slow it down, food will follow quite quickly.
The implications are horrifying and even if humanity survives, it won't be pretty.
If by about 2035 the causes aren't controlled and the problems slowed down enough to prevent insect extinction, the following 10 - 20 years will see food decrease to levels that won't sustain us.
After that, the decline will be so rapid and so brutal that no one will be making notes.
I hope that doesn't happen.
Fun thing about large scale food scarcity. If you have a calorie deficit for a few months, you don't anymore.
On a serious note. Habit destruction, warming, pollution poses a very serious risk to food stability and could very well lead to famine.
Yes, and global famine is a terrible prospect.
Personally, I'll miss the birds.
We will go for awhile. We will find ways to eek out existance muscling by using up resources at an even greater pace. digging deeper, making small amounts of toxic things pure by making larger amounts more polluted. Its really hard to say how long it will be but its a global system so will get worse and worse particularly the lower you are on the totem.
Two failed harvests. That's what it takes to strip away the thin varnish of civilisation.
Considering the global integration of the world today, in that case much of the effects can be temporarily cushioned by spending lots of money, thereby letting the ones without money starve. Either way, it won't be pretty.
At some point, even money can't help anymore, because you can't eat it. If there is no food, there is no food.
Yes but also we can stop turning food into fuel or into less efficient luxuries like meat etc
Amerika? Hopefully soon. I've lost my faith that the arc of history will ever bend toward justice; so I just want the oppressors, settlers, and colonists to suffer. If justice isn't coming, then revenge will be fine too.
Societies may collapse but pockets of humanity will survive. We saw how quickly nature started to rebound when we slowed down during the pandemic. I have hope that weβll either sort our shit out soon or most of us will die and then the natural world can begin to heal again. This is like the sixth mass extinction event so itβs not the first time this has happened. Life finds a wayβ¦
People now be like "there use to be megafauna"
People soon will be like "remember when we use to have mediumfauna?"
28 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes and 12 seconds.
Define "collapse"
See "Dotard"
About five years
I'm kinda thinking sooner the better but I'm very fond of games like fallout.
Just two more weeks
We'll make it. I have high hopes for the future!
I'd give it about another thousand years.
It always has.