Personal politics, what age do they live in? Gender neutral has been the norm for quite some time. Females are welcome to exist, both as users and as developers.
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Not allowed to call them “females” any more.
The issue is 3 years old, I honestly dont know why it is being dredged up again. I also dont know why any of this matters, use something else if you care about the dev beliefs some years ago.
Because trolls have nothing better to do.
The Ladybird browser, which is highly related to this project, just did a PR event yesterday. That's why it's coming up years later, right after people were alerted to the project and it got more scrutiny. I appreciate knowing about this, as opposed to not knowing about it. It gives me the chance to evaluate whether I want to dedicate energy into supporting a browser primarily being developed by a sexist who thinks not being a cis male == politics.
Primarily being developed by someone who was most likely a sexist, three years ago, and who is now being dogpiled by people who probably weren't ever going to use his software anyway.
If anyone really cared about this, they should just fork the code and start their own inclusive version. Literally steal the asshat's project out from under him. Instead, everyone is coming out of the woodwork to try and score asinine dunks on the dev's shitty opinion.
For me personally, this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. I'm not a fan of the languages it's written in, its license, its immaturity, and that it's mostly being developed by one person. Additional minor strike for communicating through discord. Now we learn that the most influential person on the project has some real bad vibes and it's probably best to give this a pass as a whole.
In my eyes the whole selling point of the browser is being an independent underdog with a clean slate, but what's the point if we're starting with a list of IOUs for things that are already bad out of the gate.
They live in the C++ age.
You joke but I realised I feel exactly the same about this as I do about the choice of C++, which is: deep sigh ok sure
As a non-native speaker, I really have a lot of problems using a plural word as singular. When I read it, I always have to read twice to check whether one or more people are meant. I rather read and use "she/he" even with the additional typing.
Some people don't identify as either of those. And there already is a common word that can be used for either singular or plural, which is "you."
And English is imprecise for "you" as well. For he/she/it grammar at least doesn't change. Substitute that pronoun for they and suddenly the grammar switches to plural. That totally confuses me.
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you don't understand the language and thus everyone should comply with you? i'd rather read correct english than what you find more understandable
You obviously understand English to a lesser degree than me. I nowhere wrote that I made demands to comply with me. Where on earth do you get that idea that offering a perspective is a demand?
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3 posts about… pronouns in the build log?
If you go through life looking for things to take offense, you will always be outraged.
Sometimes it’s the only way to feel anything 🤬 awww it didn’t work.
an abrasive rejection to a polite change request
Does offense have to factor into it when judging a behavior as undesirable?
I was referring to OP, who decided today was the day to stir up a 3 year old PR on a small project run by a volunteer.
That’s not the way to gain allies.
Ah I see. Could have easily been all in one thread.
I only became aware of Ladybug recently from another post here so I found this PR informative and unfortunate even though it's old. If this no longer represents their views and potential future behavior then why bring it up, else it's not aged.
One doesn't have to go looking, there's lots of assholes who think it's "apolitical" to assume that everyone working in software is a dude.
Bad example at the end though, loads of of people use "dude" as a gender neutral term though. But yeah I take your meaning about assuming men in dev.
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If you go through life looking for things to take offense, you will always be outraged.
This is what I tell my sister. She got angry at me for hanging my hats on these little hooks that hang off of closet doors. I have many hats, and not much room. She got mad that the outside of my closet door had hats on it.
additional transphobia https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/8046#issuecomment-860350155
Why are you posting on lemmy? Haven’t you heard about the devs?
This framing made me read the comment in the link as a transphobic joke (“ha ha I won’t accept your change of gender ie will misgender you”) which would have been a pretty smoking gun if left there, and in case anyone else makes the same incorrect interpretation I’d like to warn them that they’re talking about grammatical gender, in the PR.
I think it’s a stretch to call this transphobia; if anything it’s good ol’fashioned sexism, but a pretty tame one.
The anon user could be used by an advanced alien specie, trying to understand the technology underpinning operating systems in order to launch an attack against the humanity. Thus, the developer is specist against non human entities.
No? Too extreme? Where do we draw the line between leaping to concussion and labeling people? Refusing to change a gendered pronoun to a gender agnostic one isn’t a great look. One can most certainly make an argument that it’s a sexist view of the landscape in favouring male users over others; but no where in the discourse that I could see did they attack transgenders, so it wouldn’t be fair to label the developers as transphobic. I think it’d be prudent to address the issue as they are, not leap to conclusions and apply labels.
What an odd thing to double down on
Seriously. Accepting the PR would have zero impact and take about 10 seconds and avoid all the drama.
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Also: https://exquisite.social/@thomholwerda/112717330526232080
And to build independent browser not sponsored by google is a soft of an ideological motivation. If only it is not a pure marketing lie. There are no technical reasons for being sponsored by Shopify but not by Google. I would say there is no much of an ideology either.
Social media has messed everything up. Look at all those new comments on a dead thread. People can’t help but get involved and are excited to hop on the hate train. It’s kinda gross.
I’m not denying the need to fix the language. I agree with that. I’m saying the response itself is troubling.
FWIW they didn't merge it, they closed the PR without merging, link to line that still exists on master.
The recent comments are from the announcement of the ladybird browser project which is forked from some browser code from Serenity OS, I guess people are digging into who wrote the code.
Not arguing that the new comments on the PR are good/bad or anything, just a bit of context.
The line has been changed to be gender neutral 9 hours ago. Victory!
It's understandable to get offended at this, but really it could be a lot worse. Also probably we should separate the project from the developer, because with this logic, we shouldn't even be using Lemmy, since the main devs are controversial to some people.
Who are Lemmy's main devs controversial to?
some people
AFAIK the devs are supporting communist ideologies, especially maoism and they like the USSR's demolition of independence revolutions like the hungarian 1956 and the checzh 1968 uprising.
They also made a controversial statement about the Uyghur genocide too. I'm not sure about the specifics tho.
Ah fuck.
They run lemmygrad and are dedicated communists, as well as having a very opinionated "bad words" filter that's hard coded into the lemmy server software and not configurable without building it yourself.
Exsqueeze me? Where might one see this hard coded bad words filter?
It's encoded as a regex which you can find here: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/blob/78702b59fd56f767f3d5612bfd60e294979f91f8/crates/utils/src/utils/slurs.rs#L74
It's honestly not a terrible list, but there's at least one entry in there that falls victim to the scunthorpe problem, and it sucks that it's not something administrators can easily customize.
Edit: looking through the PRs it seems like they made the filter customizable at some point, so this is a little outdated. The whole communist thing still applies though.
Those who aren't Tankies.
I keep seeing this term "Tankies" on Lemmy, but I've only ever seen it on Lemmy. I can't tell if you mean people who wear tank-tops, or people who drive tanks. Neither one makes sense given the context of this, or other threads I've seen the term in.
Starting to think it's a slur of some kind, but I don't see who it would be against.
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Not everyone here uses Lemmy.
......what? You're on Lemmy. THIS is Lemmy. I don't get what you mean. Or maybe you don't get what you mean?
Maybe he means lemmy.ml and lemmygrad perhaps? But even if you are on a different instance, you are still using the main dev's fruit of their labor.
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And other things about the project are also concerning me:
- It uses Qt for UI, while modern browsers can draw UI with their own engines. A redundant dependency which also will harm modularity and embeddablity.
- Modern browsers have complexity of operating systems. It's just a waste of resources to build an independent browser from scratch, but not to make the engine reusable.
This is a poor choice.
The other things: It's so independent (from google), but already got sponsorship and changed the landing page to a typical landing of a startup. This independence is populism. Just enough one for feeding their adepts with promises. I won't be surprised of possible advertisement integrations made "for maintaining independence".
NGMI.
Not every development team sees these issues as significant. Please fuck off, riling up a 3 year old PR is not a good look.
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