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Can you explain to me what a router does? Is is just a PC tunnelling inbound and outbound connections? What makes it the master of the network?
Btw in Germany we have FritzBox which doesnt suck, but seems they sell their company
You got a lot of good answers to this. I'll add mine:
A router is a device that bridges multiple physical networks (it will have at least two network interfaces) and directs traffic between them. It inspects every packet of data and decides which port to send it to.
In a typical home here in the US, one network is your ISP (connected to your cable modem, for example) and the other is your home computers, consoles and devices via wifi or direct connection (like a NAS drive, for example).
Generally you want a firewall to go along with your router. Instead of blindly passing all data to the correct network, it will decide whether it is allowed to pass or not based on a configured ruleset. Most consumer home wifi routers have a simple firewall built-in.
They also have other features like "load balancing" to prioritize certain data that is more sensitive to interruptions in the data flow (like gaming) over data that isn't (like video or audio), or "DHCP servers" to hand out IP addressed to devices on the network, or "VPN tunneling" to encrypt data, etc.
A linux-based computer is more than capable of performing all these tasks. If well-configured, it can do it much better than a consumer device, with better hardware and more reliability for less money over time (when taking reliability into account).
Thanks!
I had another problem, I wanted to set a not sucking DNS server on our router, but nobody had internet anymore unless they would set the same server on their devices. Why is that?
I simply wanted to avoid our ISP spying on us by using some shit DNS server they control or get paid by
The best way to avoid your ISP spying is to use a VPN. It encrypts all the data before your ISP ever sees the data so they can't spy on you. I use Private Internet Access but I recommend doing some research and finding one that's good in your country.
I'm not sure why you had an issue with just changing your DNS. Did you change it in the DHCP settings or somewhere else?
Regardless, just to be clear, changing your DNS won't prevent your ISP from spying on you. Many of the big DNS providers like Google will absolutely spy on you through your DNS calls so I do think it's a good idea to use a better DNS. I personally use AdGuard DNS, which has a built in ad blocker that works really well.
I wanted to use the changed DNS for adblocking (good for the environment too haha) and also of course not use Google but a good one, best not in my own country.
This would be pretty good for privacy I think, especially if it would use DNSCrypt where your ISP would just see the DNSses IP, right?
But this would probably need to be set up on all the clients, and my roomies have apple devices, LOL
Do they use DHCP for their network addressing information? They should get the router's IP as the default recursive DNS resolver...
A router routes traffic. It usually has dhcp and a firewall.
However, most devices for consumers are a router, switch and a wireless access point. What this means is that they have a router but also Ethernet plugs in the back and a WiFi antenna
There is a thing called the OSI model, which is a useful tool for understanding what different components of a computer network do. I suggest looking up that term if you want to learn more about how networks work.
You might be familiar with the idea of IP addresses and MAC addresses. An IP address is routable, as in you can look at an IP address and tell where on the network (and broadly speaking, in the world) it is. A MAC address is assigned to the network adapter during its manufacture, it's kind of like the machine's name.
When you get out a sheet of parchment, a well of squid ink and a quill pen and write an old fashioned letter to an acquaintance (ask your parents, they probably used to actually do this), you write both the recipients street address and their name on the envelope. The postal service uses the street address to move the letter to the correct building, and then there's probably someone in your household who gets the mail out of the mailbox and then says "Jim, this letter is for you."
Think of a router as a post office; routers send each other data packets based on the recipient IP address. A switch works via MAC addresses and is more like your dad saying "Jim you got a letter." A hub, which is a technology we don't use anymore, would be more like your dad reading everyone's mail out loud for everyone to hear, and everyone else is just supposed to ignore what's not for them.
Now, let's talk about a more informal definition of the word "router": The box with a bunch of wires and probably a couple antennas on it that your Wi-Fi probably comes out of. We call that little box a "router," and that's one of the many jobs it does. You can think of networking components as little building blocks, and your home router has many building blocks in it. It's a little computer with some networking hardware attached, and it likely functions as a router, an Ethernet switch, a wireless access point or two, probably your DHCP server (assigns IP addresses to devices on the network automatically), it probably serves as a firewall, mine can be a print server or a file server.
Thanks a lot! So a switch uses Mac adresses and not the DHCP IPs?
In our basement we had two switches. A long ethernet cable goes from the router there, into one switch, and from that one many cables into another switch, and from that one all the cables go seperately to the rooms. Both switches are supplied with electricity.
Now for some reason ethernet doesnt work anymore, even though I used the correct cables and removed the rest as nobody uses ethernet anymore, just two cables, repeater and my cloud server.
I just used one switch, as I had no idea what you would need two switches for? Before there were 8 cables or so, now only 2
"From that one many cables into another switch" as in, you used more than one cable to plug one switch into another? Yeah that won't work. Ethernet doesn't like that kind of thing.
It is valid to connect one switch to another if you need more ethernet ports, but you would connect them with one cable. The best way to do it if possible would be to connect each switch to a port on the router,
Hmm no sorry.
One ethernet cable going down from the router
Two switches, both plugged into power supplies
The ethernet cable goes into the first switch and out go 8 seperate ones. But these dont directly go to the rooms, but to the second switch first, one in one out each and into the rooms.
Yes what you described makes sense. I just removed a switch but now nothing is working which is weird. Will have to test plugging in at each step to see where the failure point is
I think I would have to see a drawing of this.
Understandable, here you go.
I dont get the purpose of switch 2, both are plugged into electricity so seem to be active.
Huh. Yeah that's some bizarre network architecture right there. It shouldn't be necessary to connect two boxes with multiple wires like that, and in fact it shouldn't work at all. You're saying it doesn't work if you remove one of the switches? There's something odd going on there, like these are probably managed switches with some odd configuration happening. If you figure out exactly what it is, let me know, because I think it'd be an interesting learning opportunity.
Yeah... problem is I am the only one caring at all and the rest exists since forever and nobody knows anything. Currently Ethernet didnt work at all so I resetted the router, will check the model numbers of the switches