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No Lemmy ettique missing as there wasn't enough of a community to form anything. I had no issue with the smaller size and all the usual posters I'd see and chat with have dispersed with the larger array of content.
But now you don't get people signing up, talking about the lack of content and disappearing. Or servers set up in hope and shut down - eope.xyz caw.ai Jeremmy.ml or ones that ragequit fapsi.be. And of course wolfballs.
Even if most go back to reddit it will still be an improved space with the servers and communities that remain I think.
The lack of "Lemmy etiquette" is basically the whole point of the project. There is no general rule. There are places for shitposting, there are places for serious discussion. The civility fetishists get their corner, the people who enjoy replying to bigots with pigpoopballs.jpg get their corner. There is a niche for everybody - and if there isn't - you can start one without being completely isolated from the rest of the network (at least, initially).
The situation on Reddit was absurd. The "Reddiquette" rules were generally okay, but very open to subjective enforcement. I spent many years on Reddit. I browsed a lot of different communities on there. But if one person on a community I browse makes a post saying "look what this asshole is saying" on another community I browse, and I go there an make an insightful comment, I am now "brigading." If somebody wants to politely debate whether trans people have a right to exist, or whether or not we should send the homeless to concentration camps, and I tell them to fuck themselves, I am being "uncivil."
Communities need mods and admins who have their back, not mods who become cops for the admins who become cops for the board of directors who only care about increasing KPIs and profit. The coolest thing that can happen on the Fediverse is landing in a place where the admins will eat a block or two to defend the integrity of their communities. This is something which is simply impossible on Reddit.
I should've known it was the beginning of the end of my time on reddit when I commented "well if people are gonna start flying Russian flags on their trucks here in the USA I'll be keeping a baseball bat in the trunk of my car" shortly after the invasion of Ukraine began - specifically non-violent, and if they'd have been able to read my mind, the intent was so I could smash the windows out of their truck not actually beat the shit out of them, and I received a 3-day ban from the whole site for "advocating violence" or whatever the fuck it was called. I took a looooong break from reddit after that as I was honestly pretty disgusted an admin essentially supported Russia by banning me for my benign comment, but found myself there again.
Without RIF I'm definitely never going back.
Edit: I find it concerning that I posted this within the Lemmy.ml community and I'm seeing downvotes and people promoting false equivalencies in reply; I was told lemmy.ml supported Russia but I didn't believe it as I was shown no proof, and I hand-waved away that warning - now I'm concerned.
Gonna say that comment sounds very nationalistic and xenophobic to me. Would I ban you for it? No. But you'd definitely get a warning if I was the mod.
Unless you're doing the same thing for anyone flying the US flag, that's just standard hypocrisy.
I don't think Lemmy supports Russia. It's very anti-imperialism in general, which is a good thing! But, Americans advocating for violence exclusively against other imperialist symbols just smacks of double standards, ya know?
Let's flip the argument around. Lets say i wrote:
'if people started flying rainbow flags on their cars in my country , I'll keep a baseball bat in my car'
Do you think i deserve to be perma banned for 'advocating violence'?
Yeah I gotta say personally both sentences sound violent to me. They can absolutely be understood in both a violent and a window-smashing way, but the wording is so on the line that I too wouldn't want to see it in a community.
The meaning of what we say or write is not purely what is meant by the speaker/writer but also in large part what the audience or the person we speak to hears and understands. As the person saying something, we always have to be aware of how it may be understood or misunderstood. We all have different contexts, experiences and ways of communicating. All we can do is be as specific as possible to remove any uncertainty. Vague wording is how dog-whistling operates.
Maybe a better way of wording it would have been:
"if people start flying (...) flags on their cars in my country, they better watch out for their windows 'cause I'll be keeping a baseball bat in my car"
No, in my opinion that follows the rules, it's not inherently violent. I think the implication is gross, and would rightfully be downvoted, but it doesn't break any rules. It's a bit of a false equivalency though considering LGBTQ+ people weren't actively killing thousands of civilians, destroying homes, and raping thousands of women, like the Russian government was orchestrating at the time (and still is from my understanding, it's just not interesting enough for the fucked 24 hours news cycle any more).
Jesus Christ, I'm not a tankie π
I'm a 'reddit is too ban friendly' guy.
I also mentioned in another comment that the false equivalency example might not have been too great. Hope you see where I'm coming from.
Please please tell me where I can find shitposting communities. Looking for some fun that isn't mean or terrible to others.
I think !196@lemmy.world sounds like what you're looking for?
Someone give me a history lesson. A lot has happened already apparently.
i'm here for the lesson too.
Please tell me the legend of wolfballs
Wolfballs was what could be called a free speech instance run by Master of Balls.. There was friction, but personally I liked that the was a variety of instances if not the content.
Exploding-heads run by Kapow is the closest in vibe and a spot where some jumped to.
Master of balls left an exit note here which pretty much sums up the vibe, stored on the fedirama community https://lemmy.ca/post/390398
server ragequit, that's a tale that should be told
It sounds like there was, but the action seems to have happened on mastodon servers. The quit message can be found here.
https://lemmy.perthchat.org/post/219342
"stupid lemmings" and "narcissistic sociopaths" sounds like a popcorn drama