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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But when you add Putin into the mix then it all makes sense.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 59 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah, I think this is the correct angle.

People (e.g. mainstream press) are responding to these events as if Trump were actually trying to accomplish something useful for the US - as if he were well-intentioned but incompetent.

But (1) Trump is a compulsive liar, so his talk about "Make America Great" should be treated with suspicion, and (2) Trump is owned by foreign interests (Russia, China, Saudi Arabia) who will benefit from the US having weakened international relationships.

From this point of view, it makes sense that Trump is alienating our allies.

[–] ploot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Trump is a fool who is being used by hostile powers to sabotage the USA and its allies. But he's also a bitter, vindictive, petty little man who wants to sabotage his country anyway.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Yes, both things can be true. And his stupid supporters are just as bitter and petty. They'll eat a shit sandwich if they think a lib will have to smell it.

[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

The US is not, and never will be, "his" country.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You also have to consider that any time Trump refers to America, or the American people, he's actually referring to himself. Substitute the word "trump", and the statements make much more sense.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, I think that Trump considers the USA to be "his country" - not in the patriotic sense, but in the "my property" sense.

[–] smeenz@lemmy.nz 2 points 11 hours ago

Couldn't agree more. It's the narcissism.

[–] NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Legit question, why and how is he owned by Russia, China and Saudi Arabia?

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Speaking for the Russia part, he owed 400 million to Deutsche Bank (https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-secret-ugly-breakup-with-deutsche-bank-revealed-2022-10) which was his biggest single lender and which just happens to be the same bank which also funneled billions of Russian dark money offshore (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/08/29/deutsche-banks-10-billion-scandal). Just a coincidence no doubt.

To add to this, the FBI has been trying to prove his connections to Russian crime organizations forever. I wanna say since the 70s. Russian criminals have major stakes in Trump Towers - including actual real estate - and he's been "gifted" everything from private planes to yachts by them. The FBI has never been able to get anything to stick, however.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Decades into the future, it will come to be known that Putin has a video of trump fucking an obviously underaged blonde girl whom he audibly calls “Ivanka”.