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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They offered nothing because they thought they had an easy win.

Remember, nothing was...

A woman's bodily autonomy. A Trans person's right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee's right to a safe job.

And so much more... And it's only been 7 days. Fuck anyone who said the Dems brought nothing to the table. You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago

You ignored what they were fighting to keep a hold of in order to parrot some bullshit Russian disinfo false equivalency about a genocide being committed by a different fucking leader in a different fucking country.

I would find the lesser evil argument more convincing if the people advocating it didn't always turn out to be genocide denying conspiracy theorists who will ignore reality to defend unspeakable acts

Seems like you're not actually capable of pragmatically choosing the lesser evil while still condeming it. Seems like you always end up defending evil.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A woman’s bodily autonomy. A Trans person’s right to comfort in their body. The separation between church and state. A birthright citizens right to live in their country. An employee’s right to a safe job.

Hate to break it to you, but we were losing ground on all of that, even with Biden as POTUS. Hell, a fair chunk of that happened when Biden was POTUS, and Dems had a majority in the house and senate.

And yes, don't talk to me "But Manchin/Sinema!!!"... Fuck off. Because if they were so bad, why were the dems funding those campaigns? Where was the party leaders, demanding their people get on the line, or else lose committee seats, lose money, etc etc.

And why didn't the Dems drop the filibuster from the senate rules packages? Simple majority vote for everything.

Its almost like they pretended to want to do things to better the working class conditions, without actually doing anything, in order to provide a constant feed of campaign talking points to run on.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when "Don't ask don't tell" was a progressive policy, I can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats, 8 years of blue leadership can certainly gain ground. Hopefully you had that opinion because you're young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we've been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.

Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I’m not sure how old you are, but as someone who was alive when “Don’t ask don’t tell” was a progressive policy

Yes, I'm familiar with it, but it was only an improvement. One that got passed because of falling recruitment numbers, and changing social landscape (Being gay becoming more acceptable), so the Military Industrial Complex needed to compete withe the rest of the job market.

It was considered "progressive" at the time, because it was better than separating already trained soldiers, and the public saw it as a win.

can assure you that while Republicans are constantly tripping up Democrats,

For as long as I can remember, its generally been Democrats tripping up Democrats... Yes, you read that correctly. Eventually, we get people young enough in office, because the incumbent finally died (Because, with Dems, don't you fucking DARE challenge an incumbent, ESPECIALLY in local races).

So, less of a fight, and more succumbing to the times, is when we move forward. Just like right now, it's less about what the GOP fought for, and more the malaise with the global population due to us facing a species extinction, while starving.

Hopefully you had that opinion because you’re young enough that you just assumed those rights were the status quo that was slowly slipping away, not realizing that they are a huge boulder that we’ve been slowing pushing up hill for the past century.

Hey! We have had like 40 years of "blue leadership" in my city, and guess what we have?

Oligarchs run the city, county, and state too! Our Dem mayor loves cops, thinks Trump has some good ideas, and our governor is looking forward to working with Trump... Our governor, also a Dem, who is quite obviously a conservative.

Sinema and Manchin are certainly to blame for a lack of progress, but we needed them to keep from slipping further, faster. Every spot filled by a republican just makes the rock heavier, the hill steeper, and the ground more treacherous.

How about instead of pretending Reich Wingers are progressive, we just pick progressives to run in those seats? You know, ones that actually listen to, and respond to the needs of their voters, instead of acting like voters owe the person their vote, just because of team colors?