https://sh.itjust.works/post/31716642
Edit: There used to be a screenshot here. I messed up the link in an edit and don't have a local copy saved.
My comment was roughly 'It already looks like it might be better than things now, at least Biden never advocated for full displacement of all Palestine."
I had already seen half the comment section of the post with ban marks. This single comment copped me a fully-expected permaban. Unfortunately my comment doesn't show up in modlogs so I had to retype it more or less from memory.
The bloodshed:
Screenshot edited as per mod request.
Most of the banned comments are actually still visible. If you browse the thread you'll notice there's nothing particularly inflammatory or banworthy about any of them.
Best part, in the middle of all that banning, our buddy found the time to mod the one guy in that post who supported his opinions. Welp, another echo chamber in the making.
Follow up:
The mod posted in a similar post in this comm. FWIW, while I stand by my actions and opinion, I did msg them to offer them a personal apology.
YDI man. I'm normally Johnny on the spot for all kinds of Biden Gaza argumentation but this is different.
Imagine if your mom just died. Imagine if Trump did it, maybe it was during the fucked up Covid response and he deliberately broke up your public health office and seized all the masks and she couldn't get what she needed, and now she's gone, gone forever.
Now imagine someone in a MAGA hat is trying to talk to you about how Covid is fake, and won't shut up about it. How much do you want to debate them about it? Would you welcome them into your space so they can do their thing?
That's what you're doing, going to a Palestinian community and shooting off about how fucked they are now, under Trump, "whooooo boy." I actually agree with the point you're making here, factually. And the inclusion of Biden in the original post was unnecessary, and this poster sure does a lot of that. But you can't come into someone's community that is directly dealing with such a sensitive topic and start shooting from the hip about US politics and how important it is, being careless and mean about it, even if they started it by talking about Biden.
I've had friends from near that part of the world. They don't give a shit who's president. They don't want to hear about someone in US politics who did something good. The US is a source of sanctions and drone strikes and unlimited weapons for Nazis, and that's pretty much it. Someone who's in charge of the US is their enemy. That's all. We're the Empire from Star Wars, and we keep blowing up Alderaan. New emperor? Okay, whatever. How good is this one going to be? You must be joking to ask that question.
My feeling on Biden-hating Palestinians changed during the "uncommitted" time and how it extended past the primary. I thought that was pretty short-sighted, for reasons that will be obvious to you, and then I saw a picture of an event and saw Rashida Tlaib and the look on her face during the event. Just the expression was enough. Okay, I got it, you have rights to do what you're doing, lady. I don't agree with you, I'm not joining up with you, but I won't try to tell you you're wrong when all you're doing is fighting to save your life and your people. You kind of don't give a shit if Trump comes to power and blows up the US. "Okay, well, our country's getting blown up and no one cares, so sure, sounds good."
Like I say, that's not my point of view, at all, not least of which because Trump is going to blow up plenty of stuff outside the US including Palestine. I definitely think there were skilled people who latched on to that movement and tried to use it to hurt Democrats as a US political tool, too. I'm just saying that in a Palestinian-specific community you can't really use the same rules and level and style of debate about it that you would in a US politics community.
I'm just saying it's different when someone is fighting to save their life. You can even make the same point you tried to make. But you have to be kind. You have to be at least a little bit sympathetic. You probably still would have been banned for it, in which case it's a lot closer to PTB, but as it is, it looks to me like you and the other commenters were unkind enough that YDI regardless of anything else.
Edit: In response to a private message I sent. The mod apologized, and unbanned me. (Lets just say that from his response, the point that the previous poster is making and in part I make below - that people are almost gloating with "see what not voting Democrat made happen" - probably matches very well how people are being perceived by that mod).
Original text of my post:
That specific Mod is going way beyond merelly stopping people coming over there to almost gloat that "you're screwed and it's all your fault": I just got banned even though I mostly agree with their criticism of Democrats and the Biden Administration (In summary: had the DNC listenned to anti-Genocide voters, Trump would've lost, IMHO, so don't blame voters for not being able to hold their noses to vote for the lesser of Genociders when the DNC knowingly chose to keep on supporting Genocide against both Principle and their own chances at defeating Trump), but some guy was being all racist about it (claiming it's all a "Westerners" thing) and I challenged just that, very explicitly and ended up banned.
I would like to think that people who are against Racism as a matter of Principle are naturally against Zionism (an extreme Racist ideology), the Israeli Occupation and even more against the Israeli Genocide, just as they are against all manner of prejudiced takes, so for that Mod to side with a Racist and silence somebody calling that person out in their Racism is something else than "merelly" fighting back against people going to a forum about Palestine to try to score political points in the American political environment using the mass murder of Palestinians.
fwiw I find this argument very hard to square with the actual voting records. In 4 of the 7 swing states people were focused on, Harris actually received more votes than Biden. And even in those last 3, Trump's vote against Harris increased by a larger amount than Harris's vote, compared to Biden. The myth that people sat it out or voted third party because of Biden/Harris's pro-genocide stance (and to be clear: it was a pro-genocide stance—anyone who questions that is not worth listening to) is a convenient story that allows the left and liberals an excuse to keep yelling at each other, but it doesn't look believable with the data.