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How much do you blame the people who voted for Trump or other fascists? (lemmy.world)
submitted 1 month ago by Mr_Fish@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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To be clear, I am only talking about people like the average working class Trump voter. The ones who just got caught by misinformation, and just haven't been able to find a way out. Trump and all his mates are terrible people, and should be held accountable.

The average voter is another thing. My attitude is that I got lucky, and found out that Trump and his mates are terrible, instead of getting sucked down a rabbit hole of supporting them. Knowing how fascism works, I don't know if I'd be able to reliably land on the right side if fascism happened in my home country. And if I don't believe I could reliably spot fascism, I'm not comfortable acting like those who support Trump could have.

This isn't a discussion of "just be a good person". I know plenty of amazing, caring people who believe they're doing the right thing.

This whole idea of "I can't say is reliably avoid fascism" is based on this, the school that became fascist for a week. As bad of an experiment that was from that teacher, it was an effective way of teaching how people fall for what should be obviously a bad thing.

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[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How is it not possible for you (all of you who parrot this) to see that Trump tossed you a brief reprieve so you can make EXACTLY this argument? Are you only capable of looking two weeks into the future or something?

No, I'm not capable of looking two weeks into the future, and neither are you. Currently, the fact is that he secured a ceasefire, proving that Biden was not trying to for the previous year. The rest is just BlueMaga fantasizing about more genocide, because you care more about being right than you do about thousands of dead foreigners.

Biden was awful for Gaza. Trump is also awful for Gaza

I've had to listen to a year of you shitlibs bleating endlessly about how important it was to vote blue because they're the lesser evil, now that it turns out Trump was actually the lesser evil, suddenly you're abandoning that.

and then he’ll take down as much of the rest of the world and the US with it as he can.

No, he's not going to "take down the rest of the world", at least not anymore than the average US president. As for taking down the US: Good! it's an evil empire that spreads death across the globe and we would be better off without it.

You are literally and transparently doing exactly what Trump wants you to be doing right now, because it legitimizes him.

You people genuinely don't believe foreigners are human, do you? That's why you care less about saving thousands of lives than you do about whether Trump looks good or not. I don't care about the parasocial kayfabe, I care that there's a ceasefire.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I’ve had to listen to a year of you shitlibs bleating endlessly about how important it was to vote blue because they’re the lesser evil, now that it turns out Trump was actually the lesser evil, suddenly you’re abandoning that.

You'll find plenty of comments where I acknowledge that Biden and Harris were bad on this issue, so please, don't put words into my mouth. My position has been the same. Biden/Harris bad on this issue, Trump worse.

You people genuinely don’t believe foreigners are human, do you? That’s why you care less about saving thousands of lives than you do about whether Trump looks good or not.

Maybe in a few months or years you'll have a better grasp of cause and effect. Those lives aren't pawns to me, they are pawns to Trump. You've seen his opener so far.

No, I’m not capable of looking two weeks into the future, and neither are you.

I'm capable of knowing how Trump operates though through past experience. And so are you, but you have taken the cake he gave you so you have stopped looking.

I already showed you how meaningless his action was - Israel is just killing the same folks but in a different area now. And I guarantee you it's only the beginning.

You people genuinely don’t believe foreigners are human, do you?

You're wrong, but it's a great way to avoid processing any of my words if you insist that's the case.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You’ll find plenty of comments where I acknowledge that Biden and Harris were bad on this issue, so please, don’t put words into my mouth. My position has been the same. Biden/Harris bad on this issue, Trump worse.

Objectively incorrect

Maybe in a few months or years you’ll have a better grasp of cause and effect. Those lives aren’t pawns to me, they are pawns to Trump. You’ve seen his opener so far.

His opener of securing a ceasefire, something that has upset you so much you're know constantly fantasizing about how hes totally going to do an even bigger genocide in the future, and getting big bad when people remind you that you can't actually see the future.

I already showed you how meaningless his action was - Israel is just killing the same folks but in a different area now. And I guarantee you it’s only the beginning.

My god, you really have become so deranged you actually believe you have the ability to see the future. And no, Isreal is not killing nearly as many people, so it's not meaningless, or it wouldn't be if you actually cared about the lives of foreigners, but you don't.

You’re wrong, but it’s a great way to avoid processing any of my words if you insist that’s the case.

Processing your words is how I determined that you don't consider us human

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Objectively incorrect

[citation needed]

And no, Isreal is not killing nearly as many people,

so far

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

[citation needed]

Lol. Blue MAGA everyone. Biden spending fifteen months perpetrating a mass genocide isn't as bad as Trump securing a ceasefire. Another reminder that you don't consider us human.

so far

Oh right, I forgot you suffer under the delusion of having oracle like powers.

[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Processing your words is how I determined that you don’t consider us human

Well, goodbye now, and good luck. You can reply if you like, but I won't see it.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre