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what's with the rise of chinese shills lately?
What counts as a "shill?" Approval in leftist spaces of the PRC is rising overall, which makes sense given that they are a Socialist country, but in the broader western landscape Red Scare propaganda is still dominant.
thanks for the warning, I'll stay away form these then
last time I spoke with a leftist about it, china was capitalistic and therefore can't be used as a bad example for communism, because TeH rEaL cOmMuNisM was never tried before
that's just decades of whatever bullshit china and the SU were doing, there's not much of western propaganda necessary
You are in one right now. Lemmy leans pretty clearly to the left, the conservative subs literally got bullied into non-existence.
Anyone who tells you "real Communism has never been tried before" is likely a Trotskyist, which is a strain of Marxism that was proven theoretically incorrect the second the Peasantry in Russia aligned with the Proletariat successfully. What came of that was post-hoc discussions about a "Worker State" not being Socialist if it didn't fully eradicate all classes immediately, essentially taking a left-dogmatic error in applying Marxism.
Socialism, in reality, is an economic Mode of Production where Public Ownership and planning is primary in the economy. There's no such thing as a "pure" system, which was the major philosophical advancement in Dialectical Materialism when analyzing Modes of Production through history. Capitalism is a Mode of Production where commodity production and markets are primary, and while they are present in the PRC, they are not the primary driving force of the economy, and are subservient to the Public Sector and government planning.
As for your take that the Red Scare didn't matter, I'm curious what you think the USSR even looked like from a day to day pespective.
You'll be seeing alot more China "shills" as Americans keep realizing the amount of propaganda they've been fed lol
Shill=/= people you disagree with