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Okay, whether or not raw milk is generally safe, why buy it when there's an alternative that removes the pathogens?
THe PaThOGeNs aRe gOoD fOr yOU!!!!
These people voted for trump. Critical thinking isn't in their repertoire.
Because raw milk contains everything, including all the fat and all the vitamins.
Processed milk usually is first separated between fat and liquid and then the fat is readded. Also the pasteurization destroys some of the vitamins.
More importantly though it just tastes different.
Finally if you want to make yogurt or cream cheese, you want to work of raw milk because it contains the fermenting bacteria, but that is more of a niche application.
Pasteurization by default does not remove all bacteria and probably also not all viruses. The milk you commonly find in supermarkets these days is not only pasteurized at high temperature, but also homogenized (pressed through a microsieve), which further alters the taste, reduces quality but extends the shelf life.
If you're going to make anything from milk that requires bacterial cultures and the conditions under which they will grow, you absolutely do not want whatever random cultures that are in a raw product. You start clean and add the cultures you want to propagate. Source: ferments things at home
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Why are you getting your vitamins from milk?
Most people get their vitamins from their food, not from dietary supplements.
Last I checked, food other than milk exists.
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What the fuck kind of stupid answer is that?
Last I checked, food other than beans exists.
You generally cook beans before you eat them. Guess what pasteurization essentially does?
Why are you getting your vitamin from beans
Because they're a lot less likely to kill me than raw milk is. Why is this even a question? People have literally died from pathogens they caught from drinking raw milk.
https://www.foodsafetynews.com/2024/07/owner-of-raw-milk-creamery-behind-fatal-outbreak-sentenced-to-probation/
People have died from eating beans.
Why are you defending the bean eaters.
Who, other than people with allergies, has died from eating beans? Because as far as I know, cooked beans do not transmit dangerous pathogens. Raw milk can.
Again, I'm not sure why this is even comparable.
This you?
I guess your answer is that no one without allergies has died from eating beans and rather than own up to the silly thing you said, you decided to troll.
The thing I don't understand is why you thought that wasn't so blatantly transparent of you or why you think that doesn't make you look anything but foolish. But you do you.
Ok bean eater.
Sorry… are you trying to insult me by saying I eat the same thing literally billions of other people eat? What ails you?
Ok bean eater
I sincerely hope you get the help you obviously need.
I sincerely hope you beat your bean addiction
I will bear in mind from now on that you're a troll who harasses people and you better hope for your sake you don't pull this shit with anyone in any of the communities I moderate.
Don't worry I don't intend to engage in a conversation in any bean or bean related community.
You apparently did. But you won't be anymore.
Hopefully one day you will be able to enjoy a nice, bean-free day too.
There is no hope for you enjoying Lemmy Shitpost one day.
which is ironic, considering this conversation pretty much turned into a shitpost the moment you ask why someone was getting vitamin from food.
I was just giving reason, that exist to prefer raw milk. I only ever drank raw milk when spending vacations on a farm and i didn't buy cow milk since a couple of years.
Still i would like to say that i don't think raw milk is a problematic vector for pandemics to spread. Chance is people will get the shits if hygiene is bad, but i doubt a viral pandemic to spread because of raw milk. More likely would be farm workers getting an infection over the air and then spreading it to other humans.
People who study viruses for a living seem to think it's possible, but I guess as long as you doubt it, no problem.
Pandemic from raw milk? Do you have a source for that?
A source that it's possible? You really need a source that something carrying viruses can be a transmission vector if it jumps to humans? Because I think you need to take a basic virology course in that case.
For starters i find it unlikely that a respiratory disease is transmitted through food. Possible sure. But by the logic of "possible" rather than "probable" we should never leave the house again.
That's not how viruses work. They evolve. They can become airborne. How are you not aware of this? It's literally what happened with COVID.
First of all COVID wasn't transmitted from eating. It was likely transmitted from animals that were still alive at that market and it was always a respiratory disease.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS-CoV-2
And then again what is your conclusion? To ban all products and activities, that have a principal possibility of transmitting diseases? Because then nothing much is left to be done. So obviously the probability needs to be a relevant factor. Which brings us back to the question if you have any source of scientists indicating that raw milk would be a relevant vector for the transmission of respiratory diseases.
As it stands it seems to me that you just dislike raw milk for some reason, which has nothing to do with it being a relevant risk for diseases to spread or not.
Pasteurization. The Chinese started doing it 1000 years ago, so I'm not sure why you aren't aware of it.
As for the "some reason" why I dislike raw milk:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization
But do explain why such outbreaks should be risked for the sake of someone having a kind of milk they prefer the taste of.
None of these diseases is viral. They are all bacterial. You said:
As you have such adapt knowledge about virology: Which viral infection is transmitted through raw milk, especially one that can cause a pandemic and can you now finally provide actual scientific sources of scientists considering these an issue? Clearly you must have had these in your virology classes, where you took your in depth virology knowledge from.
Are you now arguing that raw milk is safe and pasteurization is unnecessary because the only incredibly dangerous and infectious diseases that are spread by raw milk are bacterial or are you just trying to deflect? Because I'm thinking it's the latter. I'm thinking you know how deadly and dangerous many of those diseases are and how they can easily spread from person to person.
Although admittedly, I could have misjudged you this entire time, thinking you were an intelligent and rational person, when in fact you are supremely ignorant. But I don't think that is the case, I think you're just evading.
I am still waiting for the answer on my question. And again if you have such great knowledge in virology and i am lacking such knowledge it should be easy for you to provide me with comprehensive sources supporting your claim, that "People who study viruses for a living seem to think it’s [a viral pandemic to spread because of raw milk] possible"
Putting words in my mouth and changing the goal post doesn't change the fact that you claim knowledge about virological matters, that you refuse to support with sources.
Yep. Evading. Especially when the largest pandemic in history, the black death, was bacterial (yes, yes, not caused by food).
But go ahead and believe that all of the communicable diseases I listed above, many of which can become airborne and transmissible from human to human, are not a problem related to raw milk that can easily be avoided with a 1000-year-old technique.
I don't think anything more productive can come out of this discussion now that you're just basically trolling.
Why do we not have issues with the plague anymore? Because of hygiene. Did any of the diseases you mentioned from raw milk cause pandemics? No. Are there other Bacterial diseases that had been local pandemics? Yes. Cholera mainly. Was the transmission mainly from human to human? No, it was usually through contaminated water.
This is very different from the viral pandemics by the like of the Spanish Flu or the SARS viruses. But none of these spread from people eating contaminated food.