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Trudeau opposes allowing Russia to keep ‘an inch’ of Ukrainian territory
(www.theglobeandmail.com)
this post was submitted on 26 Nov 2024
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Why only 2/3?
getting 2/3 of anyone to agree on anything is hard enough when you're not dealing with 40 million people, all of whom have direct consequences of the outcome of the decision. you're gonna have a few deluded souls who've allowed themselves to think russia (lowercase intentional) is their ally, but you're also going to have people who think the best thing to do is ceasefire now and find a better path in the future. i'd estimate there's around one perpective on this war per ukrainian citizen, and so "should we retain our boundaries when this is over" is just one way of getting a cross sectional view of those perspectives
With the war this long, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a segment of the Ukrainian population that says, "Let's just end this. If that means we give up some land for peace, and Russia pays for it, it's worth the lives saved."
I've been reading a lot about the US revolutionary war and there were definitely those who wanted an end to hostilities even if it meant returning to the crown.
I'm not saying it's right because we all know Russia would absolutely invade again. But it might help explain some of the 1/3 that don't agree with not giving an inch to Russia.
I assume the other 3rd are "Ukrainian" in the way that they've been places in Ukraine by Russ, but remain loyal to Russia, not Ukraine
Meh. To be honest, I shouldn’t be surprised that even if your assumption is true, this was the result.
Hell, 45 became 47
The US elections aren't the only thing targeted by the Kremlin's propaganda
War weariness is a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a non-insignificant number of that 1/3 that doesn't oppose Russia keeping some territory are just tired of the war and want it to be over.
3 years is a long time to live in a war torn country with frequent power outages and food shortages. People tend to disassociate when it doesn't affect them directly and if they happen to live on the Western side of Ukraine, losing territory on the Eastern border will have less of an effect on them than continued food and power shortages.
For one reason: because there are selfish people who only care about themselves and today, not others and not tomorrow.
Imagine being selfish, and just thinking that if the war ended now, your own quality of life will immediately improve, to hell with others whose homes are now Russian territory.
War is hell. They have made many sacrifices. There is some part of the population that would like for the war to end and defacto (not dejure) give up Crimea and donbass in return for NATO protection. Unfortunately that outcome is very much not possible unless they get more help from the west. Russia's current goal is annexation of all of Ukraine.
1/3 are probably working class people who are aware that their conditions under the ukrainian government or russian government will be the same and that war will only bring them more misery.
Wow, us ml leaking or something?
Your brain is leaking. Do you have anything serious to say or you are here only to shitpost?
Well that’s not a very kindhearted response