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[–] superkret@feddit.org 60 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Why though? A warning to the west?
Cause last time I checked, Russia and Ukraine are on the same continent, making this a huge waste.

[–] remon@ani.social 35 points 1 day ago

Cause last time I checked, Russia and Ukraine are on the same continen

The RS-26 only has around 6000km range and was developed for striking Europe.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably a warning in response to letting Ukraine use western missiles deep into russian territory.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

“deep into russian territory” is quite an exaggeration. Biden only okayed it for the Kursk and neighbouring regions.

The U.S. official, who wasn't authorized to speak publicly about the decision, said the U.S. is allowing Ukraine to use the weapons to target in and around Kursk — the same region where some 10,000 North Korean troops were recently deployed, according to the U.S. and its allies.

Source: NPR

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Glitterbomb@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Didn't the ATACMS land somewhere in Bryansk, the WW3 at 10 oclock on this image?

Is this like a punch card, do we need to hit all of the WW3s?

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you for the clarification. It was the lingo used by western media these past days.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

🤓 Russia is in two continents

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 29 points 1 day ago (4 children)

that still doesn't explain using an icbm against a nation you share a border with. there's some message russia is sending. it's either "don't forget, we have icbms and they're operational" or it's "we are running low on standard missiles and have to fight weird"

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

My guess is the latter, Iran and North Korea aren't exactly making state of the art weaponry. And Russia has burned through most of its rusted out and repainted armament at this point. That leaves either new weapons, scuffed imports from "shithole"-class countries, or weird weapons.

At any rate, nuking your nextdoor neighbors and having the radiation potentially drifting over parts of your country, potentially even your capital (yield dependent) seems like a stupid idea. Not to mention it ruining their "trophy" land that they illegally acquired.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 1 points 14 hours ago

see… but… i don't think the dickhead wants the farmland in ukraine, i think he hates ukrainian people. he's mad they don't just fall in line and do what he wants. they have their own culture, and their own ideas about how the world should work, and those ideas don't involve him being in charge of them. i'm very close with some ukrainians and the one thing they share, despite very different backgrounds coming up, is a strong belief that everyone deserves to be treated with dignity, respect, and the allowance to be one's own true self.

that this idea is prevalent amongst ukrainian people even after so many centuries of russain oppression is dangerous to the russian autocrat. he rules through using terror to crush a person's spirit to resist his power, and not only does ukraine resist, they give a place for other forces to resist, too, like siberian anarchists. he is not trying to gain land, i don' think, i think he's trying to kill an idea. he wants to kill the idea that anyone other than himself can be in charge

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't let the name fool you, ICBMs not only have a much larger range but they also (generally) have higher payloads and they're designed around 'user servicable' and swappable warheads.

They're sending a message and it isn't "we could hit you even if you were thousands of kilometers away", it's "we could bolt a nuke to this bad boy"

[–] Laser@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean... The general point still stands. It's not that western nations seriously doubt that Russia has these weapons. We know Russia has ICBMs, we know they have nukes, we know they're willing to attack Ukraine with conventional weapons.

What Western nations doubt is that Russia would actually attack them or use nukes, because it'd trigger a united response they'd lose against, and they know that and want to avoid it.

It's not about capabilities, but willingness.

[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

What Western nations doubt is that Russia would actually attack them or use nukes

Russia launched everything but the nuke. That should be the takeaway.

Yes, everyone knows they have nuclear weapons, chemical weapons, all that fun shit, everyone knows they have ICBMs.

They've implied verbally that there could be scenarios in which they'd feel justified with using a nuclear weapon, but they literally just launched everything but the nuke. It's a pretty major escalation.

I'm also not here to speculate as to whether it's a hollow threat, I'm just pointing out that launching an ICBM is a really big deal

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, but a central tenet of nuclear deterrence is that you don't constantly posture your own position with nuclear armaments. If you keep saying if you cross this red line we'll go nuclear, and then don't ...... It makes future threats pretty laughable.

International nuclear relations have already been gamed out. It's always a last case scenario, because everyone has a sense of self preservation, especially the narcissistic types that like to be in charge of countries.

No one wants to live in a nuclear wasteland, so no one is going to create a nuclear wasteland unless they feel that they themselves are in immediate existential danger, and even then it would be an action made in spite.

[–] Laser@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

This is part of the point I was trying to make

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

It makes sense from Purim’s perspective because he gets to perform a test of his pilfered military and the results are validated by an independent third party for free.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

FWIW, the US currently thinks it's an IRBM, not an ICBM, basically for that reason. Why use an ICBM here? But Russia might have done it just because they can.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, it is not according to Russia. The definition of "continent" is almost completely arbritrary anyway, and exactly where you draw the line between Europe and Asia - or if you draw it at all - is probably the fuzziest bit of all. Russia and many other countries just consider Eurasia to be one continent

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll accept Afro-eurasia before I do Eurasia 😤

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 5 points 1 day ago

Personally I think that Asia is too big a category to be useful as it is and we should be drawing extra lines. Let the Himalayas, Urals, Altais, and Tian Shans count as continental borders too. Also the Sahara. All of those have been obstacles to human movement as much as oceans have

[–] superkret@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Yeah but no one lives in the part on the other continent.