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Who are the good guys in the Israel/Palestine conflict? (lemmy.world)

submitted 3 weeks ago by Greyfoxsolid@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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I genuinely do not know who the bad guys are. S lot of my leftist friends are against Israel, but from what I know Israel was attacked and is responding and trying to get their hostages back.

Enlighten me. Am I wrong? Why am I wrong?

And dumb it down for me, because apparently I'm an idiot.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

On one side we have Israel; a very ironic imperialist nation, who's leaders, military, and not insignificant number of civilians are behaving a lot like, if not a little worse than, the nazis that they had a history with. I'd also say hypocritical besides ironic.

The other side we have Hamas; an organisation that, in their 25 articles which explain why they're doing what they're doing, state they wish to kill ALL Jews everywhere, that Jewish people are responsible for all the world's problems (standard Jewish conspiracy stuff, with a solid helping of Holocaust denial), that they are the one true believers of the Islamic faith, and that they'll create an oppressive, religious controlled government that upholds "traditional family values" and completely takes away all rights from women (I remember reading they say the idea that women are free to do what men do is "Western corruption").

The war needs to end, and the Palestinians need to be able to just live without getting oppressed. But I don't see either side winning as a good thing.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Hamas_charter

Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds.

Note that Hamas is not the only Palestinian faction, but as the one everyone sees fighting Israel, the other factions, and the people of Gaza support them. When the people of Palestine are no longer fighting for their existence, I have no doubt they will support more secular factions as they did before.