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Socialism is not even radical (lemmy.ml)

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No, it's just a fundamental, inescapable fact of your voting system that voting for a candidate that won't win, instead of voting for the candidate who might win and you'd prefer over the other most likely candidate, is a vote for the candidate you'd prefer less.

Neither the Democrats nor Republicans are acceptable.

Please look up the spoiler effect earnestly (cgpgrey has a passable video on the topic). It's not the voters fault they're forced into voting for candidates that aren't their favourite, it's the voting system's fault.

Correct, the system will never change without revolution.

As a citizen of one of the US's vassal states, I can't vote, but this shit affects us all, as the US is the world overlord. A trump presidency would be devastating, in my point of view

So would a Harris presidency.

Please fucking vote for the Dems if you'd prefer them over the Republicans. Please learn how your terrible system actually works. This vassal begs you.

Neither major party is acceptable. You don't fix a bleeding wound by adding another.

Oh and campaign to improve the voting system so you can actually vote for the candidates you like best.

Will never work, because the Capitalist system maintains itself and will not allow its power to be wrested electorally.

[–] Zess@lemmy.world -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your revolution ain't coming bro get your head out of your ass.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As Capitalism continues to decline, and decline it must, revolution comes closer.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

In response to both comments in the tree. This logic makes no sense. Having your finger cut off or your hand cut off are both unacceptable, but one sure is preferable. You can say "I don't like it! I don't agree to either", but it's just putting your head in the sand.

"Both sides" being equally bad is complete nonsense. The Democrats sure are a right wing party by international standards, and pertetuators of inequality and the status quo of capitalism, and US imperialism. However, you are blind if you think the Republicans aren't worse.

Stop having a hard-on for revolution, because it almost always ends up producing undesired results.

Revolution in the USA pretty much means civil war, and if you're being honest with yourself, you know it.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

In response to both comments in the tree. This logic makes no sense. Having your finger cut off or your hand cut off are both unacceptable, but one sure is preferable. You can say "I don't like it! I don't agree to either", but it's just putting your head in the sand.

If you think dying from the climate crisis and dying from the climate crisis aren't equivalent, I don't know what to tell you. Same with World War 3 and World War 3.

"Both sides" being equally bad is complete nonsense. The Democrats sure are a right wing party by international standards, and pertetuators of inequality and the status quo of capitalism, and US imperialism. However, you are blind if you think the Republicans aren't worse.

Republicans are worse in some areas, yes, but both are unacceptable and need to be thrown aside, because there is no future under either party.

Stop having a hard-on for revolution, because it almost always ends up producing undesired results.

Entirely wrong, unless you are so legitimately detached from history that you'd support the Tsarist Regime, the fascist slaver Batista, or the feudal nationalist Kuomintang, etc. Proletarian revolution has come with skyrocketing metrics like life expectancy, home ownership, access to healthcare and education, literacy rates, and more.

Revolution in the USA pretty much means civil war, and if you're being honest with yourself, you know it.

When revolution becomes possible it will be because Leftists have organized sufficiently and in great enough numbers that it won't be, except for some fascist holdouts. Looking at the history of revolutions, this has always been the case.