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[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I mean, this is how businesses work in general. If you don't buy their products/services, then they wouldn't be able to continue providing them.

I understand that we're trying to draw attention to exploitative landlords, but if anyone can afford to keep their property regardless of whether or not you pay rent, it's the exploitative ones.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago

I mean, this is how businesses work in general. If you don’t buy their products/services, then they wouldn’t be able to continue providing them.

Of course people can simply refuse to buy housing and end up on the street, which isn't dangerous or criminalized or anything/s

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (28 children)

The problem is that landlords don't create value, they seek to endlessly profit off of one time labor. Rent-seeking creates no real Value of any substance.

[–] void_star@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (34 children)

If they don’t create value then they wouldn’t exist in a capitalist market. Their value is that they take the liability of homeownership.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Capitalism optimizes for exchange value not use value, also landlordism is a fuedal holdover that hurts capitalism, I would suggest reading the chapters in capital volume 3 on land rent

[–] void_star@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I agree I think they should probably be taxed accordingly. My comment was more just a face value judgement that they do exist and they are of value because people do rent houses.

I’m also not really sure what a viable alternative is in a free market.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m also not really sure what a viable alternative is in a free market.

https://youtu.be/Hcl3R-yARX8?si=H44MrRjaNH0ob8Bx

[–] void_star@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

How is a 30 minute video about the Soviet economy a valid answer to alternatives to landlordism in a capitalist market? At least give me a timestamp where they speak to this point.

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[–] Catsrules@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)

They do create value. They provide maintenance free housing as well as short term housing (short term as in 1-3 years.) Not everyone wants to stay in the same location for 5+ years. If you move around alot It you want to rent is usually the better option.

Now sure you could argue they are over charging for that service but that doesn't mean they aren't providing value.

The only reason why we are having issues is because there is a housing shortage that is raising the price and large companies have taken advantage of this by buying up all the houses at the crazy price and renting them out at crazy rent prices eating up the market for actual people to want to buy a house.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

They provide maintenance free housing...

Keep in mind this isn't always the case. Landlords where I used to live are increasingly requiring tenants to pay for some maintenance costs. A past landlord had us pay for anything $300 or less.

[–] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where in the world is that? I have never heard of renters paying for maintenance.

In fact, every single rental agreement I signed over 25 years said "contact the landlord if there is a problem" which was backed up by state law.

[–] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Idaho, the South of the North. I now live in Washington, where that kind of shit doesn't fly.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

They do create value. They provide maintenance free housing as well as short term housing (short term as in 1-3 years.) Not everyone wants to stay in the same location for 5+ years. If you move around alot It you want to rent is usually the better option.

The ability to rent is useful, but the idea that endlessly profiting off of the same property and doing minor maintenance is creating Value is silly. There's no Value being created through simply owning something. Maintenance creates Value, yes, but that does not make up anywhere close to the profit of landlording.

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago

Robbing tenants of potential equity is not a service.

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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Additionally the meme is disingenuous. Meant to appeal to emotion. What Elmo and Zoe are conveniently ignoring is that the party who is being provided with housing is the tenant.