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405 Freeway: Gaza protesters block traffic in West Los Angeles (www.foxla.com)

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Let me paint you a picture of the fucked up situation in the Middle East.

If the US withdraws support of Israel, Iran attacks, they have pretty much openly stated that they would if that were to happen. If Iran attacks and Israel is out of options, Israel uses nukes. If Israel uses nukes, Pakistan uses nukes. Then India. During all of this, due to the massive amount of destabilization, extremist warlords start popping up. Russia and China start sticking their fingers into things, and not just in the Middle East, but any country/territory they've had their eye on, such as Taiwan. All of this takes place a stones throw away from European countries in NATO, and if any of them get hit, all of NATO is obligated to respond. That's not getting into the shit places like Turkey or North Korea would start during the chaos.

It's not as fucking simple as just cutting off Israel. It's a big, complicated, shitty machine that is likely to fucking explode if you remove the wrong pieces. And as shitty as it sounds, 40k casualties over 10 months is a lot less than the millions that would die within a week were shit to hit the fan.

[–] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The premise of your idea, is wrong. Iran is threatening to retaliate unless Israel agrees to a ceasefire

And as you also mentioned, this has been going on for many, many months. And the context, the immediate context anyway, is a very simple one here, which is that Hezbollah has made clear, Lebanon has made clear, as other — as Iran has made clear, that as soon as there’s a ceasefire in Gaza, all of these support fronts will stop pretty much instantly. So this is the context, and in the meantime, people are just waiting for the response.

https://www.democracynow.org/2024/8/13/karim_makdisi_iran_israel_lebanon_gaza

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Only Israel can agree to a ceasefire. The US does not make that decision for them. Netanyahu is a war criminal dictator. You think the US withdrawing would be the end of it? Fuck no. And what do you think happens if the US withdraws support and Netandipshit doesn't agree to a ceasefire?

I get it, you want a genocide to stop. But the thing you are arguing for (US withdrawing support) doesn't stop the genocide. You think Israel doesn't at least have the resources already in hand to still level Gaza? Plus, currently the US is the only country sort-of able to talk and negotiate with them, withdraw support and no one can. And again, if they are out of allies, out of options, and other countries start invading, Israel WILL use nukes. It's not even a question in my mind. Netanyahu will do whatever he can to stay in power.