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Microsoft is reportedly banning Palestinians in the U.S. for life for calling relatives in Gaza
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I don't understand why it's so mainstream to equate Palestine with Hamas. It's as if there is an actual conspiracy going on to to support this genocide. Is it because it's so easy to say you're antiemetic if you oppose "the Jews"?
It's completely normalized racism. America has been institutionalizing Islamophobia for years to justify their invasions of the Middle East where we kill millions of ~~innocent civilians~~ "terorrists"
Before the 2000's a lot of that manufactured hate was directed towards Asians because we needed to justify war crimes in Japan, Korea, Vietnam, Laos etc.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2007/07/gary-hart-lynne-cheney-and-war-with-china/7644/
Early in 2001, the commission presented a report to the incoming G.W. Bush administration warning that terrorism would be the nation's greatest national security problem, and saying that unless the United States took proper protective measures a terrorist attack was likely within its borders. Neither the president nor the vice president nor any other senior official from the new administration took time to meet with the commission members or hear about their findings.
The commission had 14 members, split 7-7, Republican and Democrat, as is de rigeur for bodies of this type. Today Hart told me that in the first few meetings, commission members would go around the room and volunteer their ideas about the nation's greatest vulnerabilities, most urgent needs, and so on.
At the first meeting, one Republican woman on the commission said that the overwhelming threat was from China. Sooner or later the U.S. would end up in a military showdown with the Chinese Communists. There was no avoiding it, and we would only make ourselves weaker by waiting. No one else spoke up in support.
The same thing happened at the second meeting -- discussion from other commissioners about terrorism, nuclear proliferation, anarchy of failed states, etc, and then this one woman warning about the looming Chinese menace. And the third meeting too. Perhaps more.
Finally, in frustration, this woman left the commission.
"Her name was Lynne Cheney," Hart said. "I am convinced that if it had not been for 9/11, we would be in a military showdown with China today." Not because of what China was doing, threatening, or intending, he made clear, but because of the assumptions the Administration brought with it when taking office. (My impression is that Chinese leaders know this too, which is why there are relatively few complaints from China about the Iraq war. They know that it got the U.S. off China's back!)
I don't understand the overarching point of this comment.
Military Industrial Complex needs to be fed.
So what you’re saying is: Lynne Cheney has been wrong for 23 years so far.
Plenty of folks on here have bought into the China Boogeyman narrative. Her family's propaganda has been devastatingly effective. We likely will be at war with China in another generation, given our current trajectory.
China isn't blameless. Factory and camp narratives aside, their naval actions are bellicose.
The atrocities that western nations have had to commit to keep a foothold in places like Osaka, the Philippines, Indonesia, Pakistan, and India really disqualify any of these folks from claiming another country is "bellicose". We're still out in Oceania committing genocides of native peoples, to this day.
That's before you get into some belly-aching about a Chinese warship sailing through the Straight of Taiwan, as though its not American property.
Hahaha. First of all this is old, there's not any bases in Afghanistan anymore. Second, this is the same propaganda Russia runs with about NATO. They do belligerent stuff and then complain when their neighbors ask the country with a bigger stick for protection. Also, did someone include HK in this graphic? I know there's lots of US bases in the Pacific, but I think someone is gilding the lily.
But also no, it's not just about sailing a ship through Taiwanese waters. We do the same thing to China all the time, just to remind them that under international law that's okay.
It's conducting war games that completely surround Taiwan.
It's claiming a ridiculous area for it's EEZ, far larger than international law allows and completely disregarding any potential EEZ for other countries in the area.
It's sinking fishing vessels in international water
It's hacking the government systems of it's neighbors
The list goes on...
wow what an attitude. everything will get old, so you're fine with your sides atrocities cuz they're "old" but it's just not acceptable with others. Hahaha, suddenly a saint of peace, eh?
It more seems like you'll be fine by no matter what your side does, and will have deflections lined up with propaganda but are gonna have a meltdown when it's the other side doing what you fuckers do without consequences.
Attitude like yours is why there'll never be peace.
Why would China engage in military conflict with the USA when they can just sit back and watch the USA collapse on its own?
Without America the Palestine people would have starved to death years ago. Their own Arabian brothers won't even help them. America doesn't need to institionalize islamaphobia when they do it themselves. You can look into any Islam media and you would find they actively burn u.s. flags on state media and call for our destruction. Nothing was needed to justify your made up war crimes in any of those countries because they all started the wars. Japan bombed pearl harbor. North Korea invaded South Korea. Vietnam Gulf of tonkin. Etc etc.
Without America, Palestine would be united and free by now. A single multicultural country from the river to the sea that can recognize and celebrate its diverse people and history. Instead though we have a genocidal European colony.
Well yes. Do you have any idea how much US neo-colonialism has harmed the Middle East over the past 70 years? Your country supports ISIS for fuck's sake go touch some grass.
Also why do you think their Muslim brothers won't help them? Surely not because most of the Arab world is run by American puppets.
LO-fuckin-L at using Gulf of Tonkin, a well known false flag operation meant solely to draw the US into a protracted conflict we had no business being in. 🤡
I mean sure maybe the August 4th incident was overblown but the August 2nd 1964 incident did happen where our ship was attacked by Vietnam torpedo boats. Maybe you get attacked and don't do shit at all about it who is the real clown there?
Right?! Could you imagine if some country attacked one of our naval ships and we didn't do anything about it?
Hold on, I need my popcorn for this!
The 6 day Israel-Arab war. A casualty was encourred and Israel pleaded it was an accidental casualty of war. They made concessions.
The gulf of tonkin. Not a casualty but a calculated attack.
Yep complete accident. Have you read any of the reports? The ship was broadcasting it's nationality in every way possible. The only way it was a mistake was if the Israelis turned off all of their communications and fired with their eyes closed.
Yes indeed I did. It's completely false the ship was broadcasting nationality in every way possible. The ship wasn't even suppose to be as close as it was because they were experiencing multiple communication failures. Nice bullshit comment though.
The ship was in international waters and clearly not a warship. That orders to move away given in an abundance of caution didn't arrive in time has no bearing on the situation. It should not have been attacked for that reason alone. Pilots were clearly able to identify the ship as there are several recorded exchanges in Israeli headquarters about it being an American ship before it was attacked and visual contact with pilots was their only contact with Israeli forces until they were attacked. So even the attacking pilots should have known. The only reason they would attack anyways is if they had direct orders to fire, with that knowledge. In fact in one of the recordings they bring up the American ship and are ordered to fire anyways.
Once there was an attempt at communication, the response was ignored and they were torpedoed anyways.
There's no way to interpret this as anything other than a brazen and willing war crime to neutralize an American ship.
I've read the unclassified investigation reports. A lot of what you say is simply made up. In fact pilots initially thought it was an Egyptian vessel through efforts to identify the ship which was clouded in smoke after failing to signal the ship to identify themselves. It wasn't until after the attack launched and one torpedo boat approached an opposite side of the liberty did they see the ships hull number therefore realizing they falsely identified the ship and called off the attack.
Yea because their shoreline was being shelled for hours at that point and the ship was heading towards one of their ports. You may not realize but every minute matters in war. The Liberty ignored the request to identify which was one of a few mistakes made.
You read the Israeli propaganda then. Because this is all a matter of public record, even the Israeli pilots doing the attack have admitted they were able to read the ships identification off the hull after they bombed the flag away.
The IDF has shown itself to be completely incapable of telling the truth and American presidents just accepted that during the cold war. But that time is gone and over. Public sentiment is finally turning against the apartheid regime. So the second your last silent generation defender is gone the sanctions are going to come. Your F-35s are going to be like Iran's F-14s.
Iran won't help Palestine, but also Iran is the shadowy hand behind Hamas.
Egypt won't help Palestine, but the CIA/MI5 need to coup the elected government every decade or three when it gets to Muslim Brotherhood-y.
Lebanon won't help Palestine, but Israel says there are tunnels into Gaza from Lebanon so they need to start bombing again.
Turkyie won't help Palestine, but the IDF had to murder Turkish aid workers in 2010 to prevent their aid flotilla from reaching the shore.
Your point being what? That they fund Hamas so they're helping?
Somehow Egypt helps them by having secret govt backed coups? Instead they could have just taken in refugees but why would they do that? They'll just have a coup instead.
So Lebanon helps the Palestine people by building tunnels where Hamas stored weapons and hostages?
I recall the Turkish police raiding those same charity offices accusing them of being linked to Islamic terrorists.
So Palestinians are Hamas?
Why is Iran not helping Fatah?
Their support of Hamas is on ideological grounds. Similarly to Qatar's reason for funding Hamas. Israel is holy waqf land that belongs to Muslims and should be cleansed from Jews.
Russia is also helping them out with weapons.
Even when Egypt had sovereignty over Gaza they made sure to prevent Palestinians from going to Egypt.
Tunnels from Lebanon... to Gaza..? Where'd you read that?
Hezbollah begun bombing Israel in support of Hamas. They're also funded by Iran (much more than Hamas though).
Meanwhile Palestinians live in camps in Lebanon. Some of those walled and surrounded by watchtowers.
They have less rights there than anyone else (including refugees and migrant workers), despite living there for 3 generations at this point.
Turkey under Erdogan has been mostly hosting Hamas leaders while bombing Kurds in Syria.
I don't think much needs to be said about Assad.
The only country in the area which actually helped Palestinians was Jordan. Although that also changed for a while after Black September.
Most of UNRWA's funding over the years has come from the EU and USA.
He's really bad at sarcasm. He's trying to point out the inconsistencies.
Because the mainstream is unironically ignorant of the true political and social state of Palestinian society. They don't realise that Hamas is an extremist Palestinian political party, while the actual moderate Palestinian faction worthy of support is the Palestinian Liberation Organisation. Show them this Wikipedia page of the ongoing civil war among Palestinians and you'd get cricket noises from the average perpetually online mainstream.
Gaza is controlled by the Hamas, while the West Bank is controlled by PLO/Fatah. But no one in the mainstream in the Twiterrati, Facebook and other social media will know that, because they get junk food information from fake news and propaganda or their own bubble in those social platforms.
Decades of Islamophobic propaganda combined with a strong American economic interest in Israel might have played a role.
Do you ignore the majority of Palestinians support Hamas? It's factual reality the majority of Palestinians democratically voted and elected Hamas which ran on a destroy Israel agenda. In reality they asked and started this war due to that election. It's not because it's so easy to say they are antisemitic it's because it is factually correct to say it.
So all Americans are dickheads because Trump won democratically in 2016?
What if you changed that statement to all conservatives instead of all Americans? Because not all conservatives support Trump or voted for him in 2016. But he is now representative of them.
Like. Hamas wouldn't exist without the actions of Israel. And that is exactly why so many Palestinians have thrown their support behind Hamas. But that doesn't mean Palestinians, Hamas, or even conservative Americans are a monolith.
The point is rather that the group is being labeled in such a way to discredit efforts to give Palestinians the human rights everyone should have. It's the same thing that happened with the Black Community in the US and the black Panthers. This has been a thing for centuries with just about every grass roots or guerilla militia in existence. At some point if you buck the ruling classes power, you become a target and the propaganda follows.
Every sentence in your comment is another israeli propaganda lie. None of them are factually correct. Congrats on a new Hasbara record.
From river to sea, right? They can't even make it past the river though.
How's it going on sea?
Imagine supporting the only viable resistance organization when you're subjected to a slow-burn genocide. The humanity!
This guy answered “what would you do?” with “enthusiastically support the Nazis”
Basically we spent 20 years fighting "terrorists". So now it's really easy to paint one side or the other as the "terrorists". And thanks to Islamophobia pushed by mainstream TV shows and Movies, if you get painted as a "terrorist" then everyone in your country is also a "terrorist".
The word is in quotes because very few of the groups fought by regular forces (regular infantry as opposed to special operations) were actually international militant NGOs like Al Qaeda. Mostly they were local militias mad at the coalition forces for their own reasons, like "Why did you kill my kid in an airstrike!?!", or "I like the Taliban because they pay me really good for the poppy you torched. Also, you torched my livelihood in a country that has no safeguards against starving to death." And even the Taliban, ridiculously evil bastards that they are, were never an AQ like group. They were concerned solely with taking back Afghanistan.
All of this nuance was lost on anyone who didn't read the actual reports coming out of these countries though and many of those reports were classified. So all most people got was their favorite action and/or police drama shoveling the idea that all muslims are terrorists. With a side of Fox News villifying any brown people they could find.
So now, Israel walks in, sees all this, screams "terrorist!" and shoots the nearest Gazan kid. Predictable results were predicted many times by academic scholars.
Many Palestinian protests have people cosplaying Hamas and waving Hamas flags.
Hanging out with people that like to dress up as a member of a group that wants to kill Jews makes someone a little antisemitic I think.
Denying that there's an antisemitism problem in the Palestinian movement doesn't mean it doesn't exist. In fact that's the sort of attitude that allows it to persist.
Uh... Did you expect them to not be antisemitic? I mean it's not a good thing but what other outcome did you expect from 75 years of Apartheid and genocide?
That aside, Hamas is the only viable resistance group in Palestine, other than maybe PIJ (which is more extremist). What do you expect them to do?
Please point to where the anti Israeli movement hates All Arab and Hebrew speakers?
Jews are not the only semites and yes everything I've seen in the US is directed at the country, not the people.