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A BBC investigation reveals that Microsoft is permanently banning Palestinians in the U.S. and other countries who use Skype to call relatives in Gaza.

Reportedly, Microsoft has been banning and wiping the accounts of users who have leveraged Skype to contact relatives in Gaza. In some cases, email accounts over a decade old have been locked, destroying access to banking accounts, OneDrive storage, and beyond.

United States resident Salah Elsadi lost his account of over 15 years in the dragnet. "I've had this Hotmail for 15 years. They banned me for no reason, saying I have violated their terms — what terms? Tell me. I've filled out about 50 forms and called them many many times." Eiad Hametto from Saudi Arabia echoed the report, "We are civilians with no political background who just wanted to check on our families. They’ve suspended my email account that I’ve had for nearly 20 years. It was connected to all my work. They killed my life online."

Many of the users affected by the bans expressed that Microsoft may be falsely labelling them as Hamas

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Uh, why would they do this?

[–] Neon@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Probably because they were warned that Hamas or another Terrorist organization out of Gaza is planning Terror Attacks on Europe or the US

So they just cut off any Communications.

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[–] johny@feddit.org 0 points 2 months ago

Could it be that our ally is running an extermination campaign against a civilian population? No, that’s impossible. They all have to be terrorists, and contacting terrorists is against our terms of service.

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 0 points 2 months ago

It's all to stop terrorism!

So much bs in the name of justice is just laziness

[–] jdeath@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

don’t ever forget that microsoft is evil

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Just capitalism playing along with genocide - no different than they did seven decades ago.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Remember: today it's "just" the Palestinians and you may not be affected or care. But tomorrow, it could be you.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep. If you ever shared a political opinion, that could put you on someone's naughty list. If that someone gets a position of power and decides they want to attack, well, you could be the next metaphorical Palestinian.

[–] Deebster@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Voting on Lemmy isn't private (and is probably for sale on closed platforms) so just upvoting an opinion might be enough to get you on some lists.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 0 points 2 months ago

I have always been pro-privacy, but in a kind of lukewarm, "I wish someone would do something about this" way.

What has finally pushed me to ditch services from large corporations over the past couple of years is not really a concern for privacy, its a drive for self-sufficiency.

As basically the last stepping stone, as of a couple of weeks ago, my email, calendar and contacts are self-hosted, and it's just... So freeing.

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is what I fear the most with these platforms. They have these shitty automated moderation systems that can just decide to delete everything you have there on a whim. Already common on places like youtube and facebook, but it just keeps getting worse. Every site is pushing users into signing in with their google/microsoft/whatever accounts.

Remember the guy who lost access to his smart home when amazon banned him for no reason?

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It isn't even on a whim. They get pressured to act on "anti semitism" and define that to mean anything that offends Zionists.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The ADL is usually responsible.

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[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

well it wasn't for no reason, it was for stupid reason, which is different, but i agree with your sentiment.

if you are depending on a platform where you are the goods being sold, not the customer, you shouldn't be surprised if you are taken of the shelf on a moment's notice.

everyone has a choice.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I use Gmail, and am concerned about the same thing. But of the alternatives I don't know any that have wide support for social logins, which are damn convient.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

it doesn't have to be clean cut.

i have my personal and important mails in my private mailbox, on my own domain. i use gmail as a backup and spam mail, i use it everywhere where i assume the mail can go to some spam database sooner or later.

so if i lost access to it one day, i would lose history of some confirmations from various eshops and shit like that, but nothing that would really cripple me.

i would definitely not put my family photos there and hope they stay there forever.

which are damn convient

and that's how they get us...

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[–] Bezier@suppo.fi 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

well it wasn't for no reason, it was for stupid reason, which is different

Yeah, guess I ovesimplified a bit. For anyone not aware, it was one report of racism towards a delivery driver.

The accusation was completely false, though even if the guy actually were a racist pos, remotely disabling devices he paid for and owns is not a good road to go on.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 0 points 2 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Today, BBC News put out an investigation having spoke to 20 Palestinians living abroad who claim Microsoft has permanently banned them from their systems for calling relatives in Gaza.

Skype might have fallen out of favor for general messaging purposes over platforms like WhatsApp and Telegram, but it remains an affordable service for calling cell phones directly via the web.

Many of the users affected by the bans expressed that Microsoft may be falsely labelling them as Hamas, the terror group behind the notorious October 7 massacre that killed hundreds of concert goers near Re'im in Israel.

Microsoft declined to respond to the accusation, but claimed that it doesn't block calls or ban users based on geographical location.

"Blocking in Skype can occur in response to suspected fraudulent activity," a Microsoft spokesperson told the BBC — potentially implying there's more to the story.

But given how much of our online life is basically handed over to big corporations like Microsoft, who are under no obligation to guarantee access to these services, it is alarming how they can just ban you with no real explanation or transparency.


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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (6 children)

This is the final nail in the coffin for me. My next PC is going to be a Linux machine.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Will believe it when it happens.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you considered that you don't know me?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's not personal. I've just seen hundreds of people claim "that's it, I'm installing Linux on my system tonight/this weekend!" In response to one of these articles. Very rarely do people seem to actually follow through.

If you do, great! Although already putting it off until your next system isn't a good sign.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Your current PC can become a Linux machine by lunchtime. What are you waiting for?

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Installed? Sure, you can do that by lunchtime.

Getting it set up? Making sure all your drivers are working right? Troubleshooting issues? Finding alternatives to programs you need that don't work on Linux? Especially for someone who has never used Linux before? That will take much longer.

[–] fern@lemmy.autism.place 0 points 2 months ago

By lunchtime? Yes, yes, yes, no, no are your answers.

[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If only I could install it on the Surface Pro X...

Damn, they worked so hard to gain goodwill in the last few years and it seems they've set out to destroy it in record time.

WSL and WSL2, Android Apps, working with Qualcomm to get their ARM computers to a credible state, the new Powershell and the push to open source so many things...

And in the past 12-18 months they've been crashing and burning, either backtracking on those things or by starting new initiatives to become scummier and scummier. TPM, Copilot, the ad situation, abusing their position of power with office/teams, the giant safety holes in the Recall feature... But it seems every day there's something new in the news. It's never ending.

[–] Gingernate@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Jrockwar@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That's a nice project, but the last update was from 2 years ago and it needs way too much work to be close to usable. Windows 11 might be getting ads but at least audio works...

To be Done:

Support for Audio Subsystem #21
Support for LTE/Modem #22
Support for Webcams #23
Support for External Display Ports #27
Support for Suspend #29
Support for TrEE Services #37
Support for Sensors #38
Support for GNSS/GPS #39
UEFI ResetSystem() crashes #41

Various other issues can be expected, see the issue tracker for details.

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[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 0 points 2 months ago

they worked so hard to gain goodwill in the last few years

I have no recollection of this.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (9 children)

The last time I used a Linux PC was around 2012 with something called "Egyptian Hax" that my sister set up because she wanted me to play NetHack, so a guide would be a great start. I'm aware that WINE has gone through some vast improvements, but beyond that I don't really know where to start, what distro would be good for me, or anything else.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Start with Linux Mint. It should be a very pleasant and straightforward experience right out of the box, and is just in general very beginner friendly. I recommend to create a live USB (basically, download the ISO from the Mint website, then use something like Balena Etcher to put it on a USB stick). You can then boot off that stick, and try Mint out to your heart's content, without risking your Windows install or data at all.

Can I ask, whatbare the programs you wager you'll have to emulate through wine?

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm saving this so I can look at it again this weekend.

I'm not one for making bets unless I know something that I suspect someone else doesn't, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of the games I have on steam need wine to run on Linux. My understanding is that wine is a compatibility layer, hence the name, correct?

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[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I'm also going to recommend Linux Mint, its a really friendly beginner distro. I'll presonally recommend you do Linux Mint Debian instead of normal linux mint since regular linux mint is Ubuntu based and really loves snaps.

The default user env is cinnimon which is going to look a lot like Windows 10 making the transition easier. If you want to install steam its literally a command line away from installing and then its ready to go. That and Steam personally pushing for Linux as a viable gaming platform there are a lot more games now that work out of the box now on steam.

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[–] z00s@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Don't let the gatekeepers put you off. The Linux community is quite helpful if you can get past their garbage. Every guru was once a noob 👍

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[–] i_have_some_enemies@welppp.com 0 points 2 months ago

You tried to be funny but you are actually disabled, even unable to install linux. Lol

[–] i_have_some_enemies@welppp.com 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"I will stop smoking next year"

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[–] z00s@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Why wait? Install it now. I would recommend Mint as a beginner distro.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 months ago (4 children)
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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Guess that officially adds Microsoft to the BDS list? Unless it's already on the list.

[–] ADTJ@feddit.uk 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Boycott Divest Sanction

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[–] autonomoususer@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (12 children)
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[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Surely the US government won't like that if they're US citizens, right?

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[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Every now and then, I'm reminded that Skype is somehow still alive.

[–] paf0@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Probably the first time they have paid attention to Skype.

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