Heather Rolfe, director of research at British Future, said that, despite their high level of education, many HK migrants were likely to be unemployed or working in jobs below their skill level. They are filling gaps in sectors, including retail and wholesale, information technology, education and hospitality, she said.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Right, transferable doesn’t necessarily mean you have to be highly educated or skilled, just that there are opportunities available for that skill that need to be filled. Hence it was also mentioned in the article that the lorry driver who moved had no issues finding a similar job with the same pay. Sometimes it boils down to what opportunities are available, not necessarily how educated or highly skilled you are. Another example the article states is that professionals like doctors and lawyers who obtained qualifications from UK-affiliated bodies had it easier. Those who didn’t obtain those qualifications have skills that aren’t immediately transferable due to having different standards in HK and UK. So a lawyer in HK for example can’t just go to the UK and immediately practice there. Some doctors may transition to nurses because of lower requirements.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There is zero basis for your assertion that majority of immigrants weren't able to find jobs their skills aren't transferable. This affects certain professions to be sure, however plenty of people like software developers have skills that are very much transferable. Drivers are able to find jobs because those are the kinds of low paying jobs immigrants get, not because their other skills weren't useful. And yes it very much does boil down to opportunities available, which in UK are slim to none even for people born there.

If you're going to claim that lack of transferable skills was the core issue, then do provide a source to support your assertion.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure if you caught my last edit before you replied, but there is certainly basis for my assertion, like the lawyer and doctor examples and the article stating that some had to take lower pay jobs because of lack of opportunities/vacancies and having to only fill gaps. Another example from the article is the teacher, whose qualifications might be a gray area because of different educational systems, so it may or may not be transferable. The article is the source of my assertion, because it literally points out that it's the lack of job opportunities, the pandemic, and economic downturn that's causing them grief. Tech workers definitely have an edge there as those skills are universal, and in that case it boils down to availability of jobs.

Another basis of my assertion is my own lived experience. I work in tech, so it was relatively easy to transfer my skills and my employer just had to prove I could fill the job vacancy. My sibling who is a lawyer doesn’t have that same opportunity because their degree and title are not recognized in other countries. My other sibling on the other hand is a RN in our home country, and by getting qualified via the destination country’s affiliated-bodies, they are able to transfer their qualifications to at least caregiver status and work in that kind of job, which is lower pay, but still a job.

I’m not claiming lack of transferable skills is the core issue, I’m just saying it seems to be a factor based on what is stated in the article. The article mostly highlights lack of job opportunities after all.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Again, what you say is true for some professions, however you have not demonstrated that this is the primary reason for people not being able to find jobs. The fact that people born in UK are struggling to find jobs seems to indicate that the problem is not limited to immigrants.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee -2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Yup, I am not claiming it is the root issue, just that I think it’s one of the reasons for their struggles, based on the examples given by the article, and because I can relate. Native born people in the UK having the same issues certainly show it’s not limited to immigrants, so it’s not a specific issue that's special to HK citizens moving to the UK, it's a global issue that happens everywhere where people move, and some move back because they can't find good opportunities. And while the author presumes (for some reason) some of the respondents are not telling the truth, the survey results did say 99 percent of those interviewed do not plan to return.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

It's true that it is often more difficult for immigrants to find good opportunities, even when they have high qualification in their home country. And the reason for why people wouldn't want to admit that they bet on the wrong horse is pretty obvious. Imagine selling out your home country and thinking that the westerners are superior, then finding out that none of it is true. It's a pretty embarrassing thing to admit. Saving face is particularly important in Asian cultures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is worth noting that the ones who chose to return had the unfortunate circumstance of not having transferable skills and ended up working low paying jobs compared to what they had at home. Most of the people who had transferable skills have good paying jobs and are living comfortably.

Yup, I am not claiming it is the root issue, just that I think it’s one of the reasons for their struggles, based on the examples given by the article, and because I can relate.

You initially attributed all of it to not having transferable skills lol.

Instead of changing up your story, you could just admit you're projecting.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The article literally states that it’s the lack of job opportunities because of the lack of transferable skills and having to only fill gaps in the job market, the pandemic, and the bad economy that’s causing them to go back. I’m just relaying what the source is saying, I’m not making or changing any story. The only person who claimed I was saying it’s the root issue is the other person I was replying to. I never said so even in my first comment. I have no idea how or why you think I need to project.

If you think I have some agenda about turning this into an HK-China debate, then I’m sorry but it’s you who’s projecting. It’s so weird how people on here are so hostile and defensive when someone is just pointing out details written in the source article.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And now you've flip flopped back to the first claim lmai

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Huh? I literally am sticking to one point in this entire post. Read the article, all my points are literally from there. Sorry but it seems you have no intention of discussing properly so I will no longer engage. You seem confused. Goodbye.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have been blatantly inconsistent twice and trying to run little circles in bad faith isn't going to change that. Please get rid of your Reddit brain where you'd rather die than acknowledge an error.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how you devolve into insults then say someone is arguing in bad faith without even putting the effort of discussing the points being discussed in the article. I had a better discussion with OP compared to this exchange. I will not waste my time in these types of responses. Again, goodbye and I hope you have a less angry day.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

What was the insult? The description of your behavior? Ponder that for a few seconds.