Yup, I am not claiming it is the root issue, just that I think it’s one of the reasons for their struggles, based on the examples given by the article, and because I can relate. Native born people in the UK having the same issues certainly show it’s not limited to immigrants, so it’s not a specific issue that's special to HK citizens moving to the UK, it's a global issue that happens everywhere where people move, and some move back because they can't find good opportunities. And while the author presumes (for some reason) some of the respondents are not telling the truth, the survey results did say 99 percent of those interviewed do not plan to return.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

It's true that it is often more difficult for immigrants to find good opportunities, even when they have high qualification in their home country. And the reason for why people wouldn't want to admit that they bet on the wrong horse is pretty obvious. Imagine selling out your home country and thinking that the westerners are superior, then finding out that none of it is true. It's a pretty embarrassing thing to admit. Saving face is particularly important in Asian cultures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It is worth noting that the ones who chose to return had the unfortunate circumstance of not having transferable skills and ended up working low paying jobs compared to what they had at home. Most of the people who had transferable skills have good paying jobs and are living comfortably.

Yup, I am not claiming it is the root issue, just that I think it’s one of the reasons for their struggles, based on the examples given by the article, and because I can relate.

You initially attributed all of it to not having transferable skills lol.

Instead of changing up your story, you could just admit you're projecting.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The article literally states that it’s the lack of job opportunities because of the lack of transferable skills and having to only fill gaps in the job market, the pandemic, and the bad economy that’s causing them to go back. I’m just relaying what the source is saying, I’m not making or changing any story. The only person who claimed I was saying it’s the root issue is the other person I was replying to. I never said so even in my first comment. I have no idea how or why you think I need to project.

If you think I have some agenda about turning this into an HK-China debate, then I’m sorry but it’s you who’s projecting. It’s so weird how people on here are so hostile and defensive when someone is just pointing out details written in the source article.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And now you've flip flopped back to the first claim lmai

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Huh? I literally am sticking to one point in this entire post. Read the article, all my points are literally from there. Sorry but it seems you have no intention of discussing properly so I will no longer engage. You seem confused. Goodbye.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You have been blatantly inconsistent twice and trying to run little circles in bad faith isn't going to change that. Please get rid of your Reddit brain where you'd rather die than acknowledge an error.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how you devolve into insults then say someone is arguing in bad faith without even putting the effort of discussing the points being discussed in the article. I had a better discussion with OP compared to this exchange. I will not waste my time in these types of responses. Again, goodbye and I hope you have a less angry day.

[–] Barx@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

What was the insult? The description of your behavior? Ponder that for a few seconds.