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All of which still doesn't excuse Tiananmen Square.
Like how we can't tolerate the Hamas attack, which also doesn't justify Israel's disproportionate response.
What happened exactly at Tiananmen Square? You have some good sources?
clearly nothing happened at Tiananmen Square, china in 1989.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what's controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
Absolutely nothing. Hundreds of people spontaneously died for no reason.
I assume they are asking for a source of there being violence on the square itself, and not the surrounding areas. Nobody denies that hundreds of people were killed, what's controversial is whether or not this violence happened on the square itself or in the surrounding areas.
OK... And that's relevant because?
"The CCP massacred people in Tiananmen square in a massive military crackdown on protests."
"Nuh-uh, they didn't massacre them in the square! They massacred them somewhere else!"
So much better.
I didn't say it was better. I can't speak for the commenter, but I imagine it's in relation to the mass amount of misinformation spread about what happened in 1989, like the widespread myth that Tank Man was run over.
Personally, I think it's important to both recognize the state violence and also acknowledge how Western Countries have propagandized the event beyond what actually happened.
Additionally, I do think it's important to recognize that other massacres have happened in US-allied states like South Korea. The 1980 Gwangju Massacre is almost unheard of in western countries despite western estimates for civilians killed being higher. I didn't see any commemoration on its anniversary last month.
It's more to highlight how historical events have been exaggerated and minimized based on what is convinient for the media, you can see this minimization happening in Gaza right now.
The difference is the gwangju massacre isn't regularly suppressed and denied by the country in which it occurred. You won't get arrested in south Korea for publicly mourning at the memorial.
No, i don't need sources on that. I'd like to hear claims on what happened in and around the square... Why it's called a massacre? How many were killed? On which side were those killed? Were the 'sides' as clear cut as we are told? Why were there protests and why did it escalate?
Adding a user tag. I like to be accurate, what's your stance on the Russia-Ukraine war? North Korea while we're at it.
Absolutely right! I cannot believe that the US government tried a colour revolution against the Chinese people. We can't tolerate a foreign people defending themselves against aggressors, but we can tolerate aggression as long as it comes from the west? Hypocrisy