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Should I be learning docker compose instead of relying on dockStarter to manage my containers? I got portainer up, should I just use that to manage my stack?

I’m committed this summer to finally learning docker. I’m on day 3 and the last puzzle piece is being able to access qbittorrent locally while running the container through the vpn.

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[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

If you're learning in any kind of professional capacity, you may want to get familiar with running things on k8s. I would never deploy Compose in any kind of production environment.

[–] peregus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would never deploy Compose in any kind of production environment.

May I ask you why?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Aside from the myriad issues it has on its own, the easiest answer is: it doesn't scale on multiple machines and instances.

Example: I have 10 services in a compose file, and I need each service to scale independently across multiple servers. Which is easier, more reproducible, and reliable: controlling the docker compose state across many instances, or communicating with a central management service with one command to do it all for me?

[–] towerful@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

Sure, but what you are describing is the problem that k8s solves.
I've run plenty of production things from docker compose. Auto scaling hasn't been a requirement, and HA was built into the application (so 2 separate VMs running the compose stack). Docker was perfect for it, and k8s would've been a sledgehammer.

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What you need then is swarm compose, that can run any service in global mode (in all nodes all the time) or scale mode.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No, then you're just orchestrating the service level stuff, and nothing else. Docker's tools will never compare to cluster scaling efforts where the entire horizontal layer to be scaled can be orchestrated from the instance up to containers.

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

not sure I understand you, in docker swarm your containers are started on n number of works from a single compose file on a manager. you can add any number of work nodes to scale your service as needed

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

N number of EXISTING nodes. Proper container orchestration platforms handle all the provisioning of instances, scaling of services, IAM...etc.

Docker Swarm (and all Docker tools) only handle...Docker.

Swarm is another thing I would never recommend in production.

[–] mhzawadi@lemmy.horwood.cloud 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's not container orchestration, that's infrastructure orchestration. Depending on your use case docker swarm could just the right tool for the job.

You've been using Aws and they will happily let you add more nodes to your container runner of choice

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

No, it's container orchestration. As-in "I orchestrate all the scaling needed to run and scale the containers".