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While I think what she did was wrong, you can do the right thing and get the wrong outcome. You can also do the wrong thing and get a good outcome.
My point is we should judge all politicians on the totality of their actions. Hilary would have been a good president, if flawed, just like any other good president. Trump was and would be a terrible president. He brings shame to the role and minimises the plight of those that suffer with his childish and petty nature.
How can a politician that manipulates free elections and risking so much the lives of the many, for her own benefit, be a good president. She is obviously selfish and manipulative. She Got the worst possible candidate to be a Republican nominie just so she doesn't have to let someone else more popular in her party be candidate.
Agreed, Clinton was terrible. I knew a few people who came from Honduras during the years after she engineered the coup there if that gives you some idea what I think of her.
I have low hopes in general for the Democrats; that's why it was so surprising when Biden actually turned out to be quite good.
If Hilary was president rather than Trump, millions of people would not have died of Covid. That's good in my book. She may not be a good person, but she would have been a good and effective president.
Manipulation implies what she did was nefarious. Like her opposition, that actively manipulated, conspired with the enemy, against the law, and then started a coup.
If that's your bar for what qualifies as a 'good president', then your opinion is worthless
If when your only contribution to the discussion is insults, it's clear you cannot even express your opinion. That's such a shame, I'm sure it would be insightful.
Hilary, just like Trump, is a rich person shill and would do anything to get corporations that are losing money from lockdown to get what they want. She is no better, she got Trump as a primary Republican candidate in her pied piper strategy just because she knew she would certainly lose if someone more reasonable would have been a Republican candidate.
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Hundreds of thousands of people who died of Covid, who wouldn't have if Trump hadn't fucked up the response, would disagree
Dozens of dead CIA agents, God knows how many dead Kurds, would disagree
The capitol policemen who got beat and maimed and disabled for doing their jobs would disagree
Little Honduran kids who got separated from their parents at the border, or their families who still haven't gotten them back and may never see them again, would disagree
There is a yawning chasm between saying that Hillary is pretty crappy as candidates go, especially if you want real change in the US, and saying she's no better than Trump.
All of the things and much worse then that happens under both Democrats and Republicans and Hilary is no better. After all, if she knew Trump was that bad, why would she risk all of that and support him in her pied piper strategy if she actually cares about any of these people? The examples you listed are the smallest arguments you could make, since any of that is easily overshadowed by an actual genocide both sides fund. Since when should people have empathy towards CIA agents that coup governments, traffic drugs, kill people and destroy democracies for benefit of some oil companies. And since when should we have empathy for murder cops? And how would you be sure that less people would have died of Covid with Hilary, she has same interests as Trump did in that situation. And Democrats where happy with not letting separated kids be reunited, they just pretend like they always do.
And all of these are so small compared to most important issues like wealth inequilty, gencoide, housing crisis, etc. Where their rich people policies are almost identical. Don't be fooled by their propaganda.
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