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Could Americans, just for once, take responsibility for their own shitty politicians and politics, rather than blaming it on foreigners? This “foreign agent” bullshit is basically the same kind of conspiracy theory scape goating that Republicans do with Qanon, and it’s just as fascist as anything Trump is saying.
I agree with you and I'd like to point out we've done studies and found that "Russiagate" in 2016 was a big nothingburger. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/
Democrats don't want to hear it, though, because it's a very convenient excuse for their own failings. Just like them blaming Bernie Bros, despite Bernie supporters voting for Clinton in larger numbers than Clinton supporters voted for Obama 8 years prior.
They simply don't want to take responsibility for their own actions (and inaction).
There are a lot of reasons to be suspicious about trump when it comes to colluding with foreign powers, and there is even some evidence. I agree that people often take it too far, into the conspiracy theory territory. But I don't think it's quite comparable with QAnon, either in feasibility, or in scope, or in the problematic effects that it may have.
Also, the American system is, at best, only semi-democratic. The politicians are the ones who determine who is in power, much more than the people who actually vote. Are the citizens really responsible for what politicians we have? Am I responsible, as a man who votes conscientiously, who has campaigned during important elections, and yet does not have any real influence in who gets elected? Is the average person, who is just barely getting by, really expected to change the system by themselves?
We need systemic change, but we have no class consciousness, and we are not likely to get there. These facts are manipulated by the people in power.
I don’t know what country you live in but that sure is a lot of words that don’t really mean anything.
Can you please elaborate on what the “foreign agent bullshit” you’re talking about is?
And can you please also explain how said bullshit is akin to how republicans are blaming Qanaon? (And also please explain what republicans are “blaming” Qanon for, as it’s my understanding that most republicans are followers of Qanon, not critics.)
If you are a bot account I am sorry for putting you through the wringer as it’s my first day.
What was the rest of your comment in reference to then?
Hey yeah, I should stop picking on that Putin guy! 😁
I said Trump was Putin's pet. He's a foreign agent only by happenstance and perhaps through manipulation.
And Trump is Putin's pet.
Nazi's blame all their problems on a grand Jewish conspiracy, BlueMAGA blame it on a grand Russian one. Ultimately they're both fascists.
Why do you think a conspiracy is necessary for Trump to be Putin's pet?
You seem to be convinced that I'm some kind of conspiracy theorist but I already told you I think Trump is a "Russian agent" through happenstance.
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Blueanon is beyond parody.
Try not jumping to conclusions
"I didn't say anything about a conspiracy! I just said Biden is a puppet of George Sores!"
Least disingenuous fascist.
I didn't say anything about a conspiracy with Russia, and I certainly didn't say anything about George Soros (I assume)
Are you okay?
You know what I meant, I know you know what I meant, everyone else reading knows you know what I meant. What are you hoping to accomplish by playing dumb?
You're too much, buddy.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
You are the one who jumped to a conclusion and proceeded to liken me to a nazi. Quoting classical thinkers won't change that.
I did indeed liken you to a Nazi, what exactly is your point?
That you are all rage and no content
My content was that you a like to a Nazi. I'm gathering that you're one of those people who thinks words are just for insulting, and don't have deeper meaning.
I did not realize that was content. You surely don't expect some stranger on the internet to infer some deeper meaning to being likened to a nazi? In what way am I like a nazi?
Really telling on yourself here. Maybe you should actually read my posts.
My favourite genre of post: present a strawman in the form of a question, then scoff at how ridiculous the strawman question is.
How is it a straw man? It's a clear implication of your words. Explain how else your position could be interpreted.
"You didn't say it, but I have decided it's what you meant" Totally not a strawman
Try actually reading what I said, rather than trying to concoct some absurd, bad faith 'interpretation.'
I did. Twice now. Given the context, there is no other interpretation. Go ahead and downvote this too. It won't make you right, but I bet it makes you feel like you won something.
My man is legitimately having a conversation entirely within their own head now.
At least mine isn't stuck in a box. You gotta let it breath bro.