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Everybody here is saying talking about "bad experiences with GPS". You guys have bad experiences with shitty navigation software ; the GPS is innocent. The GPS is nice and beautiful, and it's the first ever technology to use quantum physics, special AND general relativity at the same time.

Really you're not from the US? I was so positive. Sorry for assuming

Of course you regulate software in the abstract. Have you ever heard of the regulations concerning onboard navigation software in planes? It's really strict, and mechanics and engineers that work on that are monitored.

Better exemple: do you think people who work on the targeting algorithms in missiles are allowed to chat about the specifics of their algorithms with chat gpt? Because they aren't.

Do they really? Carving into people's flesh causes controversy? The US sure is wild.

Even if some of my examples do cause controversy in the US sometimes (I do realize you lot tend to fantasize free speech as an absolute rather than a freedom that - although very important - is always weighed against all the other very important rights like security and body autonomy) they do stand as examples of limits to free speech that are generally accepted by the large majority. Enough that those controversies don't generally end up in blanket decriminalization of mutilation and vandalism. So I still refute that my stance is not "the default opinion". It may be rarely formulated this way, but I posit that the absolutism you defend is, in actuality, the rarer opinion of the two.

The example of restriction of free speech your initial comment develops upon is a fringe consequence of the law in question and doesn't even restrict the information from circulating, only the tools you can use to write it. My point is that this is not at all uncommon in law, even in american law, and that it does not, in fact, prevent information from circulating.

The fact that you fail to describe why circulation of information is important for a healthy society makes your answer really vague. The single example you give doesn't help : if scientific and tech-related information were free to circulate scientists wouldn't use sci-hub. And if it were the main idea, universities would be free in the US (the country that values free speech the most) rather than in European countries that have a much more relative viewpoint on it. The well known "everything is political" is the reason why you don't restrict free speech to explicitly political statements. How would you draw the line by law? It's easier and more efficient to make the right general, and then create exceptions on a case-by-case basis (confidential information, hate speech, calls for violence, threats of murder...)

Should confidential information be allowed to circulate to Putin from your ex-President then?

Oh yeah? And which restriction of free speech illustrating my previous comment would is even remotely controversial, do you think?

I've actually stated explicitly before why I believe it is a thing: to protect political dissent from being criminalized. Why do you think it is a thing?

Yeah, a bunch of speech is restricted. Restricting speech isn't in itself bad, it's generally only a problem when it's used to oppress political opposition. But copyrights, hate speech, death threats, doxxing, personal data, defense related confidentiality... Those are all kinds of speech that are strictly regulated when they're not outright banned, for the express purpose of guaranteeing safety, and it's generally accepted.

In this case it's not even restricting the content of speech. Only a very special kind of medium that consists in generating speech through an unreliably understood method of rock carving is restricted, and only when applied to what is argued as a sensitive subject. The content of the speech isn't even in question. You can't carve a cyber security text in the flesh of an unwilling human either, or even paint it on someone's property, but you can just generate exactly the same speech with a pen and paper and it's a-okay.

If your point isn't that the unrelated scenarios in your original comment are somehow the next step, I still don't see how that's bad.

I guess let's deregulate guns then. Oh wait.

Not everything is a slippery slope. In this case the scenario where learning about cybersecurity is even slightly hinderedby this law doesn't sound particularly convincing in your comment.

The sphynx comes with health concerns as well. And discrimination from other cats which is less the breeder's fault but can't be fun.

I was not. My point was just that this post has a sort of linguistic playing going on that that first tldr didn't follow, but you didn't also so... I don't know why I try. I just found it fun.

What is this discussion? Did y'all not grasp what was going on with that first Bing talk? I was just trying to stop you guys and gals using that symbol willy nilly; nobody's actually apologizing for Bing

How about "most famous and trustworthy virtual information vault"? Or is that too much?